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Is it just as racist to SUPPORT someone based on race; as it is to OPPOSE someone based on race

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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby john9blue on Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:33 pm

Lootifer wrote:No it doesn't.

It can do, but as I say a few posts earlier than the one I linked, you need more information to come to that conclusion.

This simple example shows what I mean...

There's a common saying in New Zealand sporting circles: "I support two teams: New Zealand, and anyone playing against Australia". The first half in itself does not imply ANY discrimination against Australia, thus by itself is non-discriminatory, however the second part is clarification that disrimination was implied. If you removed the section after the comma then there is no dicrimination.

If you are to say supporting something based on any arbartairy reason is discriminatory is basically saying the entire world is rife with discrimination.

I am not saying supporting someone based on skin colour is rational, it's dumb as f*ck, I am just saying it's not (neccessarily - it could well be, but further clarification is required) racist.

edit: sexism is not a good example because 99.99% of the cases where something similar to this threads' question occurs is not "A Man would be good at xxxx" but "A man woulod be better than a woman at xxxx" which includes the negative, and thus is discriminatory.

note: I mean unfairly discrimination when I use the term in this post; there are types of rational/fair discrimination in society for purely pragmatic reasons (e.g. Men and Woman dont compete in the same competition in the olympics, boxers have weight categories, etc etc).


the first half of that phrase is discrimination against all teams not from new zealand.

and the entire world IS rife with discrimination... lol

i understand your way of thinking but i don't really agree with it. according to your model, white supremacists and the black panthers are not racist groups.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:43 pm

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BigBallinStalin wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:I found that it's more revealing to actually ask people why they voted for Obama--instead of latching onto specific blog posts or news reports while pounding one's chest and screaming "RACISM!!!!!"


Okay__ Why did you vote for Obama?


PD already answered this for me:

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Right__ as long as we're voting on appearance that doesn't include race we're safe.

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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Lootifer on Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:14 pm

john9blue wrote:i understand your way of thinking but i don't really agree with it. according to your model, white supremacists and the black panthers are not racist groups.

Maybe, but can we honestly say with a straight face white supremacists and the black panthers are only positive thinking groups? If they were I wouldnt hesitate to call them non-racist (while at the same time calling them dumb as f*ck). However in reality we DO know they have very strong negative dialog and beliefs.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Woodruff on Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:07 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:I found that it's more revealing to actually ask people why they voted for Obama--instead of latching onto specific blog posts or news reports while pounding one's chest and screaming "RACISM!!!!!"


I voted for Obama for a number of reasons. Off the top of my head (probably not thinking of some, but in a general order of importance):
I expected him to kill the Patriot Act, shut down Guantanamo and get us the hell out of Iraq.
I disliked McCain quite strongly based on his voting as regards military disabled benefits, while being a disabled veteran himself.
Compounding my dislike for McCain was...if he dies, we get WHO?
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:50 am

john9blue wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Those are stereotypes, but at least we're getting closer to showing everyone that people do not vote for Obama only because he's black.


those are facts, not stereotypes.


This is what you said: "because blacks as a group vote democrat? because they get a disproportionate amount of handouts from democrats?"
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=94454&view=unread#p3596328

These are stereotypes, and not facts (as you've portrayed by your own words), because...


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On a more serious note, it's best not to place such truth in aggregates of groups. "Blacks" don't all vote democrat. The assertion that "blacks as a group vote democrat" is erroneous because it presumes that all blacks do such a thing. Individuals have different preferences, and act differently from each other--even though as you posit: "as a group" they may do "action X." Groups and races don't make decisions; only individuals do. I know, my good man, that I am nitpicking, but it's important to not homogenize entire groups of people.

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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Lootifer on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:14 pm

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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby pmchugh on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:21 pm

I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:13 am

pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.


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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:34 am

pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.


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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Woodruff on Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:24 pm

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pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.


Woodruff?


Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:04 pm

Woodruff wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.


Woodruff?


Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.


No__ I just meant it sounded like your reason for voting Obama 2012 in advance.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Mr_Adams on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:07 pm

Woodruff wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.


Woodruff?


Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.



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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Woodruff on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:10 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.


Woodruff?


Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.


No__ I just meant it sounded like your reason for voting Obama 2012 in advance.


Oh, gotcha. I don't actually like Obama any better than Romney...I see them as pretty much the same guy. I might even coin-flip over to Romney simply because "we tried Obama and that didn't work, so...".
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Gillipig on Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:22 pm

What does Samuel Jackson have to do with any of this?
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Woodruff on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:26 pm

Gillipig wrote:What does Samuel Jackson have to do with any of this?


Phatscotty is a racist.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby greenoaks on Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:17 pm

Gillipig wrote:What does Samuel Jackson have to do with any of this?

Samual Jackson is a racist
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:25 pm

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Gillipig wrote:What does Samuel Jackson have to do with any of this?


Phatscotty is a racist.




Apparently, shooting the messenger still works to ignore the issue. Nice strategy! No fail at all
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby pimpdave on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:31 pm

I'm not sure Phatscotty is a massive, proven racist like Ron Paul is (as demonstrated by a recent poll: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=163813&hilit=ron+paul ), but he sure does agree with lots of them!
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:56 pm

pimpdave wrote:I'm not sure Phatscotty is a massive, proven racist like Ron Paul is (as demonstrated by a recent poll: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=163813&hilit=ron+paul ), but he sure does agree with lots of them!


Actually, where I agree with Ron Paul is that 15 trillion dollars of debt, downgraded credit ratings, unsound money, and fiscal/military imperialism are bad things. I do not see race as an issue. I challenge you stop seeing race first, judging based on race, as Martin Luther King taught.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Samuel Jackson

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:20 pm

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Re: Poll on Racism: Jehmu Green

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 05, 2012 12:07 am

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Of course, no apology. She really needs to apologize. Think she will apologize for her racist comment? I bet she won't, and I bet she will elaborate on why she does not have to in the near future.

She will probably even come out and say "I don't have to apologize for my racist comment, because I am on the left."

Being on the left means never having to say you are sorry. Making racist comments is 100% acceptable to the left when it's one of their own.
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Re: Poll on Racism: Jehmu Greene (Acorn)

Postby Mr_Adams on Sat May 05, 2012 3:10 am

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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:53 pm

Now this is turning into child abuse. At the end of her race obsessed rant, she says "I have finally convinced my children that racism is alive and well in America". Sounds to me like she has succeeded in teaching her kids to be racist. Racism is learned, and you can tell this woman has been trying awfully hard to "convince her children" which obviously implies her children did not see racism or at least did not believe it existed. Why is this woman trying to tear down all progress make in race relations? It sounds like she wants to turn back the clock 200 years.

See for yourself


Oh, and this woman is straight from the "Obama truth team". We did not ask for or need any more evidence of your racism mr. President.
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