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by **john9blue** on Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:33 pm

Lootifer wrote:No it doesn't.

It can do, but as I say a few posts earlier than the one I linked, you need more information to come to that conclusion.

This simple example shows what I mean...

There's a common saying in New Zealand sporting circles: "I support two teams: New Zealand, and anyone playing against Australia". The first half in itself does not imply ANY discrimination against Australia, thus by itself is non-discriminatory, however the second part is clarification that disrimination was implied. If you removed the section after the comma then there is no dicrimination.

If you are to say supporting something based on any arbartairy reason is discriminatory is basically saying the entire world is rife with discrimination.

I am not saying supporting someone based on skin colour is rational, it's dumb as f*ck, I am just saying it's not (neccessarily - it could well be, but further clarification is required) racist.

edit: sexism is not a good example because 99.99% of the cases where something similar to this threads' question occurs is not "A Man would be good at xxxx" but "A man woulod be better than a woman at xxxx" which includes the negative, and thus is discriminatory.

note: I mean unfairly discrimination when I use the term in this post; there are types of rational/fair discrimination in society for purely pragmatic reasons (e.g. Men and Woman dont compete in the same competition in the olympics, boxers have weight categories, etc etc).

the first half of that phrase is discrimination against all teams not from new zealand.

and the entire world IS rife with discrimination... lol

i understand your way of thinking but i don't really agree with it. according to your model, white supremacists and the black panthers are not racist groups.

by **BigBallinStalin** on Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:43 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:I found that it's more revealing to actually ask people why they voted for Obama--instead of latching onto specific blog posts or news reports while pounding one's chest and screaming "RACISM!!!!!"

Okay__ Why did you vote for Obama?

PD already answered this for me:

Right__ as long as we're voting on appearance that doesn't include race we're safe.

How's 2012 shaping out for ya?

I'm not sure! Mitt Romney's haircut is BANGIN'!

by **Lootifer** on Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:14 pm

john9blue wrote:i understand your way of thinking but i don't really agree with it. according to your model, white supremacists and the black panthers are not racist groups.

Maybe, but can we honestly say with a straight face white supremacists and the black panthers are only positive thinking groups? If they were I wouldnt hesitate to call them non-racist (while at the same time calling them dumb as f*ck). However in reality we DO know they have very strong negative dialog and beliefs.

by **Woodruff** on Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:07 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:I found that it's more revealing to actually ask people why they voted for Obama--instead of latching onto specific blog posts or news reports while pounding one's chest and screaming "RACISM!!!!!"

I voted for Obama for a number of reasons. Off the top of my head (probably not thinking of some, but in a general order of importance):
I expected him to kill the Patriot Act, shut down Guantanamo and get us the hell out of Iraq.
I disliked McCain quite strongly based on his voting as regards military disabled benefits, while being a disabled veteran himself.
Compounding my dislike for McCain was...if he dies, we get WHO?
I expected Obama to be pretty liberal socially.

by **BigBallinStalin** on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:50 am

john9blue wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Those are stereotypes, but at least we're getting closer to showing everyone that people do not vote for Obama only because he's black.

those are facts, not stereotypes.

This is what you said: "because blacks as a group vote democrat? because they get a disproportionate amount of handouts from democrats?"
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=94454&view=unread#p3596328

These are stereotypes, and not facts (as you've portrayed by your own words), because...

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a more serious note, it's best not to place such truth in aggregates of groups. "Blacks" don't all vote democrat. The assertion that "blacks as a group vote democrat" is erroneous because it presumes that all blacks do such a thing. Individuals have different preferences, and act differently from each other--even though as you posit: "as a group" they may do "action X." Groups and races don't make decisions; only individuals do. I know, my good man, that I am nitpicking, but it's important to not homogenize entire groups of people.

Furthermore,

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Lootifer** on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:14 pm

Hey BBS on Feb 29th you can propose to ME!

by **BigBallinStalin** on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:28 pm

Lootifer wrote:Hey BBS on Feb 29th you can propose to ME!

by **pmchugh** on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:21 pm

I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

by **Phatscotty** on Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:13 am

pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

Ron Paul!

by **ViperOverLord** on Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:34 am

pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

Woodruff?

by **Woodruff** on Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:24 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

Woodruff?

Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.

by **ViperOverLord** on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:04 pm

Woodruff wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

Woodruff?

Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.

No__ I just meant it sounded like your reason for voting Obama 2012 in advance.

by **Mr_Adams** on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:07 pm

Woodruff wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

Woodruff?

Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.

I believe every rationally thinking being in this country prefers Ron Paul at this point. I honestly only know a hand full who prefer any of the others.

by **Woodruff** on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:10 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
pmchugh wrote:I don't think it is important that americans vote for obama, I think it is important that they vote for whoever opposes Romney, Newty-G and Santorum.

Woodruff?

Heh. I definitely oppose Gingrich and Santorum. In fact, it goes way past a simple "oppose". I don't have such strong feelings regarding Romney, but I do prefer Paul over him by quite a large margin.

No__ I just meant it sounded like your reason for voting Obama 2012 in advance.

Oh, gotcha. I don't actually like Obama any better than Romney...I see them as pretty much the same guy. I might even coin-flip over to Romney simply because "we tried Obama and that didn't work, so...".