War & Peace (Winner: mr_chopper)

[grady12345]

In with Sardinia please.

[wookie1]

Oki, good good..

[rgrjoey001]

in please ... italy

[srdjoni]

In, please... wherever

[giannikas]

Swiss Confederation, please.

[curiousone1]

Hi. Looks like fun (and perhaps mayhem!)
Prussia if possible
Thx for setting up and the fun scoring

Curious

[BIGBLOO]

I'll have a bash. Conf of Rhine Please. Nothing like being on the front line and dying in glorious fashion

[Wizz00]

In please, wherever is left

[Hugiboo]

Excellent, the roster is full. Games should be starting soon.

[Hugiboo]

The question was asked: "Does the points scoring only happen at the end of the game?"

The answer is yes, points are counted at the end of the game.

[Hugiboo]

Another question:

"how is the winning faction on a map worked out? is the winning faction anybody in the same team as the games winner? or is it the faction with the most regions?"

The winning faction is determined by the winner of the game. The exception is that Neutrals are essentially each their own faction. When planning the scoring, I expected that the winner of the game would tend to dominate the map, so the effect of having one player dominate but an opposing player win (because of troop count) was an unexpected side effect of the 20 round limit. This will have to be addressed in the future, but I don't think it is right to make rule changes during the tournament, so it will have to remain this way for this tournament.

[protogenitor]

Can we get a score update?

[Hugiboo]

I'll be updating the standings & sending the next 4 game invites sometime in the next 2-3 days. I'm moving on Saturday, so this week & Christmas is going to be a bit crazy for me; but I'll get it done. In the meantime, are there any suggestions for rule modifications for future installments of this tourney or one like it? This is my first tournament, so it's been a learning experience; but I'm planning to do another one like this & eventually I would like to try it with a few other maps. I've already had some good suggestions & I've noticed a number of things that should be different myself. I'll start a list here:

Planned Changes
- no fog (easier for diplomacy & makes the games more interesting to me)
- sequential turn order (freestyle makes for fast games - which is why I used it - but adds an unfair element; you are punished for having a life & not sitting on the computer waiting for your turn)
- should include connected empire for losing faction
- should not encourage players to lose game to take advantage of extra points available to losing faction


Is there anything else you've noticed? Did the rules make the game feel balanced? Does it seem like certain country choices or factions have a greater advantage or handicap?

[protogenitor]

One thing I noticed was that with the current rules your not working with your Allies but against them because you are competing with them for places for the next round more than with the opposing faction.

i think the battle fields and sea battles should score points if your faction wins or loses the game to make them more important.

A good way to encourage the factions to fight would be to make it so that you score points for holding an opposing factions country (1/3 of the points value, same as they lose?).

In the current system your home country isn't worth enough in points to make it a high priority in the game. I'd personnaly have your home country score 3-5 times its bonus value to make it really worth crossing the whole map for.

Personnally I'd not give people a set country for all games. I'd give them out randomly per round. Then make it so that the the top scoring people (plus the Immunity winners) go through no matter what faction they are in. Then in the next round hand out new countries again.

Just a few thoughts, they may not be any good but I thought I'd share anyway.

[Hugiboo]

One thing I noticed was that with the current rules your not working with your Allies but against them because you are competing with them for places for the next round more than with the opposing faction.

i think the battle fields and sea battles should score points if your faction wins or loses the game to make them more important.

A good way to encourage the factions to fight would be to make it so that you score points for holding an opposing factions country (1/3 of the points value, same as they lose?).

In the current system your home country isn't worth enough in points to make it a high priority in the game. I'd personnaly have your home country score 3-5 times its bonus value to make it really worth crossing the whole map for.

Personnally I'd not give people a set country for all games. I'd give them out randomly per round. Then make it so that the the top scoring people (plus the Immunity winners) go through no matter what faction they are in. Then in the next round hand out new countries again.

Just a few thoughts, they may not be any good but I thought I'd share anyway.

I didn't want to make the alliances too tight; it's not really a team game. A little bit of backstabbing is an important part of diplomacy (though I don't advise breaking promises). The main reasons for competing within your own faction for a spot in the next round were 1) to maintain balance in case one faction had an unfair advantage & 2) to maintain a balance between Napoleon vs Coalition & Neutral teams in the 2nd round. Perhaps a greater incentive than sharing their country bonus is needed.

For the battle fields & sea battles, I agree. I was worried that the winning faction would rack up so many points, that I used the battles to give the losing side something if they could manage to get some. However, since the games only go to 20 rounds & it's trench (which I think works well as a way to encourage strategic point grabbing - just that there are some bugs in the point system), the "losing faction" doesn't seem to need as much help as I expected.

I also think increasing the home country's value would be a good way to get people to go for it, but there needs to be balance between the 5 value ones & the 1 value ones. Maybe a "point value + x" would be more appropriate so as not to widen the value too much. I favour selecting one's preferred country over random assignment. Some other possibilities are allowing trades (maybe too complicated), or allowing players who have eliminated someone to claim that country as a second or maybe more bonus country (this would have to be done carefully as it would tend to encourage elimination). It could be done with no starting territories, then whatever is held is claimed & can be taken away... I wish I could do 16 player tourney, it would make things much simpler.