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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby osujacket on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:03 pm

Wendt100 wrote:What a bunch of BS! Doesn't mean much if you can't win the gimmick away boards! So you decided who will have the best records by deciding who gets 10 or 11 homes (such as Illinois and Michigan) and who get 5 or 6 home conference games and end up not making it. Thank you for wasting my time with this rigged season.

I would rather drag the season out and do it fairly then cut it short. What's your hurry?


So these guys take over a tourney that everyone wants to do...and spend hours figuring out how to make it work and make it run pretty well....not perfect but pretty good....

and you have the gaul to hammer them and whine....Really????

I think you should either try to organize something like this or be grateful that people worked hard to do this.

To hammer them like that is just so ----uncool
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Wendt100 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:44 pm

I was not hammering them. They have done a good job with it.I would like them to finish this fairly!
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Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Fuzzy316 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:21 am

curious as to what week the RPI update that is in the post is relevant to, as currently mine is sitting at about .60
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Robespierre__ on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:09 pm

All,

I first would like to emphasize that the proposed 30 game schedule was not mimicking what the original TO was going to do. As a matter of fact, I have no idea what he was going to do since we were left ZERO records, ZERO schedule and only some spreadsheets from past years that revealed the previous TO did a TON of manual work instead of automating the results portion of the tourney. I spent a good chunk of my life creating that automation in the first weeks we took it over. I came up with that schedule to try to create some balance in a structure that is inherently imbalanced (8-team conferences and 15-team conferences all happening at the same time).

What I could not know when I did that, was how long it was going to take to get things truly organized and up and running such that we were only sending out one game a week for a while (after the weeks of no games) until finally we got going with 2 games a week as you no doubt have noticed. But it was too late. The tournament was going on too long what with the conference tournaments and March Madness looming behind it. And every two weeks later the tournament goes, I seem to lose a player that needs to be replaced. Yet more time and hassle. If I had a crystal ball back then, I would have had less regular season games and worked to balance the home/away games a little better. An automated round-robin generator was used and it seemed to have some teams with long streaks of home or away in the beginning and the opposite in the end. This affects those in the Big East and A-10/MW the most which have 15 teams in them.

So the bottom line is, I and the other TOs are doing the best we can. The decisions we make are not to screw anybody over. We don't spend as much time organizing this as we are because we are trying to piss anyone off. And it is impossible for you to know exactly how much of a timesuck a big tournament like this is unless you could really see all that has gone and is going into it. It frankly would be pretty easy for me to get angry over what feels like colossal insensitivity on your part to the reality of how we see things. But I won't let myself do so (and OSUJacket's post helped me do so tremendously -- thanks for that) because this really is a great tournament, and I enjoy playing in it and enjoying running it with McShanester, Hath, GenJestix, Shoop, and RobbieDub. There is no way this thing would have happened without their help.

So in conclusion, we did not change things from the way they were in the beginning because when we took over, there was no roadmap for us. We did our best to stay faithful to the way it had been done, but we have basically made it up as we went along. This continues in that vein. If any of you perceive it to be unfair, I really am sorry for that. But at the same time, having heard your complaints, we are not deviating. Tournaments begin to suck when they go too long, and our sense is that this one will be hitting that critical mass if we continue the extra 3-4 weeks it will take to complete the schedule as originally imagined. March Madness in August? Really? I will confess that this perception may be in part to my own management fatigue. But to that I can only tell you that I could not fully know what this tournament was going to require from me until I was knee deep in it. Next year, we will have the luxury of planning things in advance and creating a team of TOs robust enough to make running this tournament manageable for people who have busy lives outside of CC. I think we have done more than a passable job of running things this year. But that is just one man's opinion.

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Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby denominator on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:10 am

This is still one of my favourite tournaments here on ConquerClub and I see no issue with the way it is being run this year. The only issue I see is with the way RPI is calculated, but that is an issue with College Basketball, not this tournament. If anything, all of the complaints here show more the ridiculousness of College Basketball than with the tournament and its organizers.

Thanks for all the work you put into a tournament as massive as this.
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Robespierre__ on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:58 am

The RPI does create some weirdness because the quality of your opponents matters A LOT. I actually tweaked the formula to make that matter a little bit less, but I do think the fundamental logic of weighting your opponents does make sense. If you are in a conference with very strong players, it only makes sense that you will lose more often and should not necessarily be punished tremendously for it. All that said, the tournament committee will not go by the RPI solely. There will be a human touch.

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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby osujacket on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:08 pm

Robespierre__ wrote:All,

I first would like to emphasize that the proposed 30 game schedule was not mimicking what the original TO was going to do. As a matter of fact, I have no idea what he was going to do since we were left ZERO records, ZERO schedule and only some spreadsheets from past years that revealed the previous TO did a TON of manual work instead of automating the results portion of the tourney. I spent a good chunk of my life creating that automation in the first weeks we took it over. I came up with that schedule to try to create some balance in a structure that is inherently imbalanced (8-team conferences and 15-team conferences all happening at the same time).

What I could not know when I did that, was how long it was going to take to get things truly organized and up and running such that we were only sending out one game a week for a while (after the weeks of no games) until finally we got going with 2 games a week as you no doubt have noticed. But it was too late. The tournament was going on too long what with the conference tournaments and March Madness looming behind it. And every two weeks later the tournament goes, I seem to lose a player that needs to be replaced. Yet more time and hassle. If I had a crystal ball back then, I would have had less regular season games and worked to balance the home/away games a little better. An automated round-robin generator was used and it seemed to have some teams with long streaks of home or away in the beginning and the opposite in the end. This affects those in the Big East and A-10/MW the most which have 15 teams in them.

So the bottom line is, I and the other TOs are doing the best we can. The decisions we make are not to screw anybody over. We don't spend as much time organizing this as we are because we are trying to piss anyone off. And it is impossible for you to know exactly how much of a timesuck a big tournament like this is unless you could really see all that has gone and is going into it. It frankly would be pretty easy for me to get angry over what feels like colossal insensitivity on your part to the reality of how we see things. But I won't let myself do so (and OSUJacket's post helped me do so tremendously -- thanks for that) because this really is a great tournament, and I enjoy playing in it and enjoying running it with McShanester, Hath, GenJestix, Shoop, and RobbieDub. There is no way this thing would have happened without their help.

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Just want to say thanks and keep doing some good work... =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Night Strike on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:43 pm

I just realized my Week 23 games are No Spoils when they are supposed to be Flat Rate. The games are in Round 3.
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Fuzzy316 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:10 pm

Yes, i would also like to say that I am not complaining about the lack of a full season. I think it is great you guys all stepped up to host this one. I tried running a league tourney and i just couldn't do it. I may go with one in the future, but need to plan it out better. This is a great tourney to have in CC, and with what you guys were given to work with, I think that it's been run just fine. Keep up the good hard work.
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby chiefsfan4ever on Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:39 pm

Jeez no recognition for all the hard work I did helping you with the spreadsheet ;) Just kidding. You guys have done a lot to get this in better shape.
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby osujacket on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:24 pm

chiefsfan4ever wrote:Jeez no recognition for all the hard work I did helping you with the spreadsheet ;) Just kidding. You guys have done a lot to get this in better shape.



=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Hows that...Im thanking all that helped :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Fuzzy316 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:40 am

Just racked up another W for the Wildcats. that should put me comfortably in 2nd place in Pac-12... but Stanford is definitely giving me trouble.
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby blindman30 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:39 pm

A question.

Do random tourny games against conference members count in the confernce standings?
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Re: Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Fuzzy316 on Wed May 01, 2013 5:06 pm

i would say not myself if it was a tourney like during the early season, or maybe midseason... usually conference standings have to do with regularly scheduled games that team shave set up to play after playing other non-conference teams. But it is ultimately up to the TO's.
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Re: 2012-13 NCAA College Basketball [Rescued]

Postby Fuzzy316 on Fri May 03, 2013 4:42 am

just beat stanford cardinal to finish the regular season at 15-9 and a solid 2nd place in league play. bring on the conference tourney!!!
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