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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 1-2]

Postby musteriuz on Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:31 am

Can we see an updated scoreboard, perchance?
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby musteriuz on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:49 pm

Thank you!
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 1-2]

Postby YoursFalsey on Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:36 pm

YoursFalsey wrote:5190169 complete.

YoursFalsey won (3 eliminations) and Jobiwan came in second w/ 1 elimination.


Not to be a nag, but this game was still missing on the scoreboard update. I just want to make sure Jobiwan and I don't miss out.
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:45 pm

YoursFalsey wrote:Not to be a nag, but this game was still missing on the scoreboard update. I just want to make sure Jobiwan and I don't miss out.


Haha it's not nagging, you deserve your points! Anyway you're right, there are 53 points on the scoreboard and 57 should have been given out. I'll add them. :)
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby NotNowKato on Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:09 pm

my round 3 game has suddenly disappeared!? where has it gone?
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby OliverFA on Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:38 pm

Also mine. What happened?
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:43 pm

NotNowKato wrote:my round 3 game has suddenly disappeared!? where has it gone?


OliverFA wrote:Also mine. What happened?


Because the people I sent PM's out to a while ago still haven't joined. I guess they forfeit those games... :|
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby OliverFA on Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:35 am

Reporting Game 5556186

freakns 1 elimination
OliverFA 1 elimination
Black Fire 0 eliminatios

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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby wolfpack0530 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:43 pm

clean sweep 3 terminations Game 5490354
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby wolfpack0530 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:17 pm

I have a quick question about the scoring system. I apologize if you answered it earlier in the thread.

Am I correct in assuming the following:?
-you get 1 point per termination
-in non terminator games, you still get a point for every player you eliminate.

Here is my question. Due to the randomness, there is a very uneven playing field. If I am randomly placed in three 8 player terminator games, i can get a possible 21 points. If I am placed in three 3 player terminator games, I can only score 6 points, and possibly be eliminated even if i win all three games.

Is this an intended side effect, since the players placed in larger games have more point opportunities? Or are you taking measures to try and make things as even as possible by making sure that all the players get a similar opportunity for points?

If my thinking is flawed, feel free to correct me :D
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby YoursFalsey on Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:51 pm

wolfpack0530 wrote:I have a quick question about the scoring system. I apologize if you answered it earlier in the thread.

Am I correct in assuming the following:?
-you get 1 point per termination
-in non terminator games, you still get a point for every player you eliminate.

Here is my question. Due to the randomness, there is a very uneven playing field. If I am randomly placed in three 8 player terminator games, i can get a possible 21 points. If I am placed in three 3 player terminator games, I can only score 6 points, and possibly be eliminated even if i win all three games.

Is this an intended side effect, since the players placed in larger games have more point opportunities? Or are you taking measures to try and make things as even as possible by making sure that all the players get a similar opportunity for points?

If my thinking is flawed, feel free to correct me :D


Two counterpoints to your theory- First, although the player in smaller games has fewer points to score, I would argue they have a better chance to get those points. There is still some bias towards the larger games. (3-player game, 2 pts, average score is 2/3 of a point vs. 8 player game, 7 pts, average score is 7/8 of a point. In any game, eliminating even one player is a better then average result, but from a probablistic viewpoint the expected score is better in a larger game.) Second, since it is random who is in which games, it is still fair as you are no more likely or less likely to get the large game advantage then any other player. (Think of the coin toss for an NFL game. Winning the coin toss is an "unfair" advantage, particularly for overtime, but the coin toss is still considered fair because it is random and both teams have the same chance of getting that unfair advantage.) At risk of sounding pedantic, your question shades into heavy philosophical territory, as it hinges upon what is fairness: equality of outcome (that everyone get the same tournament structure) or equality of opportunity (that no bias pre-exist so that everyone has the same chance for whatever happens.) This contest structure is designed for equality of opportunity w/ no claims of equality of otcopme...
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:52 am

YF explained it well. There is an advantage for larger games, but only slightly. 7 points/8 people is greater than 1 point/2 people. I considered giving the winner an extra point, but I had already sent out the games and decided not to change the rules. But the fact that the game sizes are random, and the fact that the tournament will rarely hinge on a single game, makes it a lot more fair. I just go to our streaky friend random.org and generate random integers ranged 2-8, then randomly order the ints 1-27 to fill the slots.

Around round 6 or so I'll check to see if anyone has consistently gotten small games. Then I may have to bend the "randomness" to their advantage a bit. ;)
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby OliverFA on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:22 am

Game 5556145

* Nailer X 0 eliminations
* freakns 0 eliminations
* cletus 0 eliminations
* Funkelee 0 eliminations
* OliverFA 5 eliminations
* jameschamp15 0 elimiantions
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby YoursFalsey on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:17 am

Game 5473812 Over. I just picked up 3 eliminations for my talley. Congrats to abel, neanderpaul14, and poptartpsycho18 for a good game.
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:25 am

New games coming out soon, be on the lookout. :)



EDIT: Games are out, scores will be updated later. 8-)
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby wolfpack0530 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:52 pm

john9blue wrote:YF explained it well. There is an advantage for larger games, but only slightly. 7 points/8 people is greater than 1 point/2 people. I considered giving the winner an extra point, but I had already sent out the games and decided not to change the rules. But the fact that the game sizes are random, and the fact that the tournament will rarely hinge on a single game, makes it a lot more fair. I just go to our streaky friend random.org and generate random integers ranged 2-8, then randomly order the ints 1-27 to fill the slots.

Around round 6 or so I'll check to see if anyone has consistently gotten small games. Then I may have to bend the "randomness" to their advantage a bit. ;)



Thank you for the response (you also YF) =D>

Makes sense to me.
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby wolfpack0530 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:53 pm

wolfpack wins 1v1 battle with Witt

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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby saraith on Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:17 am

Still waiting on 2 games to fill...

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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby wolfpack0530 on Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:49 pm

Game 5863974

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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:35 pm

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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:01 am

New games are out, rankings are updated. Hopefully we're going to weed out the deadbeaters after this round (I certainly don't like having to remake all those games)... :lol:
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby musteriuz on Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:05 pm

Musteriuz won Game 5864151.
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby YoursFalsey on Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:17 pm

Game 5929798 Complete.

I won by objective- jameschamp15 deadbeated, and both OliverFA and jgazaille were still alive and kicking at the end, so I admit I'm not actually sure how many eliminations this counts as. (I vote for 3 but I'll be one of the first to admit I have a bias :lol: )
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 3-4]

Postby john9blue on Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:21 pm

Making new games soon...
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Re: Utterly Unpredictable! [Rounds 7-8]

Postby john9blue on Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:21 pm

Rankings updated, games sent. I kicked you out if you hadn't visited CC in a while. Sorry, but I didn't want to remake all the games again... ;)
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