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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby Night Strike on Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:40 pm

jpcloet wrote:Incorrect?

If a tournament that is rescued did not have permission from the original organizer, the original organizer will be recorded for an abandoned tournament per the Abandoned Tournament Policy.


My understanding is that the TD's decide to move to TO group and thus the original TO does have a mark on their record.


I think the organizer gives Lindax permission to post it in the TO forum.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby Lindax on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:20 pm

jpcloet wrote:Incorrect?

If a tournament that is rescued did not have permission from the original organizer, the original organizer will be recorded for an abandoned tournament per the Abandoned Tournament Policy.


My understanding is that the TD's decide to move to TO group and thus the original TO does have a mark on their record.


barterer: Not every tournament that is or seems abandoned is automatically up for rescue. Generally I post the tournaments that the original TO would like to be rescued or tournaments that are almost finished.

jp: IF a tournament gets rescued without permission by the original TO (basically when the original TO has not logged onto CC for an X amount of time), he/she will receive a "mark", i.e., it counts as an abandoned tournament.

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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby Lindax on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:21 pm

Night Strike wrote:
jpcloet wrote:Incorrect?

If a tournament that is rescued did not have permission from the original organizer, the original organizer will be recorded for an abandoned tournament per the Abandoned Tournament Policy.


My understanding is that the TD's decide to move to TO group and thus the original TO does have a mark on their record.


I think the organizer gives Lindax permission to post it in the TO forum.


Generally that's correct NS. There are exceptions though.

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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:33 pm

Why should they not get a "mark" for abandoning a tournament, even if it is rescued by someone else? Sorry, I don't understand the logic here.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby PaulusH on Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:38 pm

Sorry :oops:

I misinterpret you :roll:

SuicidalSnowman wrote:
PaulusH wrote:
SuicidalSnowman wrote: Even PaulusH ...

Am I special :?:
Did I do anything wrong :x
Is that the reason why you didn't join :shock:
Why do you comment my tournaments, while you never have been part of it :twisted:

As far as I know it is allowed to join your own tournament :!:
The first time I joined one of my own tournaments was because there was one special place to fill, which was clearly worse compared to all other places O:)
Now I do it also when I use clear simple setups with specific games-settings of which it otherwise is difficult to find good games. In fact I hardly join tournaments or games for winning them, but more for the fun. My fun is getting to understand how the people would react in the games and tournaments and based on my predictions of that make my next turn; so yes in the end I have more fun when I win, but that is not the starting point :geek:

In the example you mentioned it is simply a 3x3-bracket of a 3x3 windmill, hardly to make more simple tournaments :roll:



No, no, no, and no! I was trying to COMMEND you for having the sense to step back a bit from your own tournament. You make sure to play the role of player and the role of organizer separately. And when you join a tournament, it is not a simple win 5 games for a medal, it is a long, detailed tournament. I was comparing the way you conduct yourself as the example of, in my opinion, the right way to run tournaments.

And I play your tournaments when I can! viewtopic.php?f=91&t=97496#p2225806 which was an awesome tournament, by the way.


And I wish people could read Barterer's posts, I swear I can but then three posts later everyone is back arguing about medals again.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby jpcloet on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:00 pm

Bones2484 wrote:Why should they not get a "mark" for abandoning a tournament, even if it is rescued by someone else? Sorry, I don't understand the logic here.


There was an original "out" clause if the TO (on their own) could find someone to take it over. Having the TO group was meant as a last resort and I thought all tournaments that were put there were a mark, but it may not be the case by the above posts. I would say a high % (not all) have been rescued.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:09 pm

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Bones2484 wrote:Why should they not get a "mark" for abandoning a tournament, even if it is rescued by someone else? Sorry, I don't understand the logic here.


There was an original "out" clause if the TO (on their own) could find someone to take it over. Having the TO group was meant as a last resort and I thought all tournaments that were put there were a mark, but it may not be the case by the above posts. I would say a high % (not all) have been rescued.


Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

I guess there's a difference if a TO can't handle it and actively pursues a replacement than if they simply stop updating and someone takes over (even if the TO then gives permission). I assume a "mark" would not be given in either situation, then? Personally, I think the second scenario deserves a "mark" while the first wouldn't.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby jpcloet on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:18 pm

After much debate, this was added under the rescue portion of the Handbook....

If the original organizer has not logged on for more than one week or has been busted/banned (1 month or longer), the new organizer does not need permission to rescue the tournament.


There was an argument that the original TO owned the right to the tournament. However, a number of us felt that by failing to meet the requirements of running one, they forfeited that right.


In this situation, I'd like to see B and HA become TO coaches so that all tournaments can run as well as theirs. Personally, I still agree there is a lack of innovation in tournaments, but that is something we have to do ourselves in creating our own tournaments.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby Night Strike on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:33 pm

jpcloet wrote:After much debate, this was added under the rescue portion of the Handbook....

If the original organizer has not logged on for more than one week or has been busted/banned (1 month or longer), the new organizer does not need permission to rescue the tournament.


There was an argument that the original TO owned the right to the tournament. However, a number of us felt that by failing to meet the requirements of running one, they forfeited that right.


The original paradigm in the tournament forums (that OP started and later trained me on) is that once a tournament was created, that organizer had the "copyrights" on that tournament until it was finished. And no one could take over that tournament without express permission by the organizer. The Rescued Tournaments Policy was created, in part, to handle those tournaments where the organizer had just up and disappeared. The wording of the new policy represents a compromise in the original paradigm of how tournaments are viewed.
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Re: Tournament Discussion - More Stringent Policy

Postby barterer2002 on Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:00 pm

Over the past year I've rescued around 7 tournaments give or take a couple. Every time I needed to have the original organizer PM a TD to allow it so none of them got marks to my knowledge.
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