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Is that a good idea?

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YES but not in beta
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:20 am

Maybe we could add a minimum of players for any tourney to be sure we have a maximum of feedback and also because those tourney must be quiet hard to win ;)
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby SirSebstar on Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:23 am

I support Djenre, I think he has enough to get a tournament started. medals will continue to be a problem for the tournament winners if they are the map mapers, but other then that. go for it
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:33 am

Thank you for your support SirSebstar ;)

NightStrike : about a new special medal, If it's not possible, I'll ask for a general achiev medal. But if CC set a new medal only for MapMakerKillers, I'll be able to organize those tourney not only for beta map, but for any map if any cartogrphar ask for it...
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby Night Strike on Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:29 pm

DJENRE wrote:Is there any chance to see that MMK becoming [OFFICIAL] as it should be a big help for cartographers to see players feeling about beta maps. I would like to do things properly.


No.

DJENRE wrote:Thank you for your support SirSebstar ;)

NightStrike : about a new special medal, If it's not possible, I'll ask for a general achiev medal. But if CC set a new medal only for MapMakerKillers, I'll be able to organize those tourney not only for beta map, but for any map if any cartogrphar ask for it...


Lack's not going to make a special medal just for this tournament.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:20 pm

Night Strike,

Thank you for answering that so quick.

I understand Lackattack is not going to make a medal only for one tournament but MMK SERIES are going to be set for beta first (already 6 tournaments, and more with upcoming beta) and also for non beta if any cartographer ask to do a MMK on his map. There are about 160 + maps on the list so it could be a lot of tournaments.
Then the medal wouldn't be only for one tournament.

I just thought it could be nice to see a new CHALLENGE on CONQUER CLUB : defeat a mapmaker. And earn a new medal.

But the MMK series will show up anyway, with or without an [OFFICIAL] and a NEW medal.

UPDATE see next post, cartographer could make a special sig maybe?

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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby MarshalNey on Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:28 am

DJ, I looked through your sample rules and an example and I think that you've mostly got a good idea... I like that you put in the rules a part about the players making a comment on the map itself, that goes with the spirit of Beta testing- perhaps only for the winners, in order to advance they give some feedback? Dunno, forced feedback isn't great, but I think often a player just doesn't know- or take the time perhaps- to comment on a map to the mapmaker, even though they have opinions that they'd like to share.

Anyway, there is at least one big problem, and that's the winner of the finale. I don't like that there can be 'no winner', and 'another tournament played'... it seems like a bait-and-switch that could leave players angry. If a tourney is created, at the end I think at least one of the players who entered at the beginning should get a medal.

If you have to use a scoring system (and I think you will), so be it, but make sure that a winner is determined somehow. I would suggest scoring the Finale according to who goes out first, second, etc., then add up the points earned to determine a winner. If they kill a mapmaker, have a funny little sig (maybe the mapmaker could make one?) that the player can use- it's a neat gimmick that doesn't require making a whole new medal for a special kind of tourney.

Anyway, hope this helps.

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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:30 am

MarshalNey wrote:DJ, I looked through your sample rules and an example and I think that you've mostly got a good idea... I like that you put in the rules a part about the players making a comment on the map itself, that goes with the spirit of Beta testing- perhaps only for the winners, in order to advance they give some feedback? Dunno, forced feedback isn't great, but I think often a player just doesn't know- or take the time perhaps- to comment on a map to the mapmaker, even though they have opinions that they'd like to share.


The feedback can be just "optionnal", (but many players won't take the time) or "Higly recommended" but you're right about forced feedback. But it the meantime I want the MMK to help the cartographer community as most of you were happy to see those tournaments become true.


MarshalNey wrote:Anyway, there is at least one big problem, and that's the winner of the finale. I don't like that there can be 'no winner', and 'another tournament played'... it seems like a bait-and-switch that could leave players angry. If a tourney is created, at the end I think at least one of the players who entered at the beginning should get a medal.


What I have in mind was to make something official where you have the possibility to fight a mapmaker in a finale and earn a medal for it (a new medal, created only for those series, but it's not going to be created, see NightStrike post). Those tournament would be really hard to win and there is a possibility nobody win on the first try. But if a player win that tourney, He become the MapMaker Killer on that map ONCE AND FOR ALL... That could become a nice challenge for players.
And this has been discussed on first posts... The Map Maker can win the tourney, but he can't win a medal for that if he just enters the finale. So when I say "nobody wins", I should say "the MM wins and another tourney will be created to have a second chance to defeat the MM".
MarshalNey wrote:If you have to use a scoring system (and I think you will), so be it, but make sure that a winner is determined somehow. I would suggest scoring the Finale according to who goes out first, second, etc., then add up the points earned to determine a winner. If they kill a mapmaker, have a funny little sig (maybe the mapmaker could make one?) that the player can use- it's a neat gimmick that doesn't require making a whole new medal for a special kind of tourney.

Yes, that's a really good idea!!! Instead the medal, we could have this kind of sig. Only for those who defeat a MM on his own Map into MMK series. That could be a nice alternative.
just remember that if we set something special in those series, we will have more players, then more feedback for the cartographer community.

Can you see if it's possible to make something with the cartographer community?

Thank you for your time
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:57 am

I also added rules and tournament preview to the first page so people can see a resume of everything.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:38 am

I saw ghost of my thread is not anymore in the cartographer forum so I hope cartographers will keep an eye on it.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby benga on Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:11 am

Do not limit it to beta maps only.

What about?
ROUND 1 - map maker plays round robin vs all,
if he wins at the rate of 50% he goes to finals
where he meets the winner of single elimination bracket?
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby dolomite13 on Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:15 pm

Sorry I was on my honeymoon in Cancun and just returned. I am totally in for this =)

Now I need to get Conquer 500 into beta.

=D=

p.s. I would also be up for doing this with Monsters!
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:49 pm

dolomite13 wrote:Sorry I was on my honeymoon in Cancun and just returned. I am totally in for this =)

Now I need to get Conquer 500 into beta.

=D=

p.s. I would also be up for doing this with Monsters!


Cool, i hope your honey moon was nice.
I'm happy you agree with my idea.

I'll let you know how it is going.

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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:24 pm

I'm waiting for thenobodies80 answer to go farer(1st toourney)
also from sirsebstar (you know why...lol)
and from cartographers (for the sign)
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:31 pm

thenobodies80 is ready to go in the first MMK
I gonna send a pm to sirsebstar.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:38 pm

I think it's an excellent idea.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:41 pm

perchorin wrote:The problem here is, most people play in tournaments for the winner's medal. What happens if the mapmaker wins, he/she gets a medal for winning one game? The other person in the finals comes away with nothing after all their hard work getting there? I think the only way you could do this is if the mapmaker was in the tourney from the very beginning and had to play/win just as many games as anyone else to win it. That's possible now, if said mapmaker is interested.


There would be no guarantee that the mapmaker would make it through the preliminary rounds, and that would defeat the whole purpose. The point is to face the mapmaker in the grand finale, and that requires giving him a free pass to get there, which in turn disqualifies him from a medal.

After all, any mapmaker can sign up for any tournament at any time and he has a chance to win a medal the regular way. This would be something special, something extra.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:13 pm

Ty for ur post. I send u a pm ;)
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:00 am

Update with new map in final forge

And a quick sign done! coul be something like this one : Image but I'm sure cartographer can do much better. ;)
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta

Postby DJENRE on Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:02 pm

ISN2 wrote:It's a real nice idea, If some day my map arrived at beta, I will participate for sure :)
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta (MapMaker Killer series: MM

Postby DJENRE on Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:15 pm

WHat do you think about that one?

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Re: I had a dream.... about beta (MapMaker Killer series: MM

Postby OliverFA on Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:46 pm

I like the idea of defending my map in a tournament (Research & Conquer, you need to update the list to show my name ;) ). It is a really interesting idea even if I don't get a medal for it. In fact if someone is making a tournament with my map, that's enough reward for me. I don't need a medal. But I do want to defense the map title at the end of the tournament!

You can always give a medal to the winner and an extra medal for defeating the mapmaker.

I think that each map should have its own settings. For example, Research and Conquer will be best played with 6 players. So the "finale" would be for the 4 best players plus the 2 mapmakers.

Instead of making just one single game, you can make leagues with the most significant settings (spoils, reinforcements, FoW, etc) so the winner if the one who really owns the map in all settings (or most of them).
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta (MapMaker Killer series: MM

Postby DJENRE on Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:07 am

Thank you for joining as MM and also as a player for other MMK.

You've been added in both lists. ;)
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta (MapMaker Killer series: MM

Postby uk massive on Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:35 am

Would be nice getting one over on the map maker, i'm in please
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta (MapMaker Killer series: MM

Postby OliverFA on Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:00 pm

I received your form for inscribing the map in the tournament series. I'll wait a little bit before filling it, as we are concentrating right now in pushing the map to the beta. Will inscribe the map when this situation is a bit more solved.
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Re: I had a dream.... about beta (MapMaker Killer series: MM

Postby DJENRE on Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:58 pm

OliverFA wrote:I received your form for inscribing the map in the tournament series. I'll wait a little bit before filling it, as we are concentrating right now in pushing the map to the beta. Will inscribe the map when this situation is a bit more solved.


Yes of course, and we'll play few games too to appreciate what best settings could be ;)

I send it to all MM so you received it too. You know you could found it in both thread when needed.
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