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Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby Lindax on Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:15 pm

Night Strike wrote:However, because of several comments from different people, I am open to hearing a discussion on the topic if there is a desire to write a legitimate and fair policy that covers gender-specific tournaments. If you would like to make a case for such a policy, please post and discuss it in a single thread in the Tournament General Info forum.

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Does this mean that if there are "several comments from different people", that we can have a discussion about a legitimate and fair policy that covers race-specific tournaments? Or religion-specific tournaments?

Or how about starting a usergroup for man only, called "Vagina Ripperz"? Is there even the remotest chance that that would be allowed?

Ever heard of the term "positive discrimination"? Is that okay on CC? I would like to make a case for the rules being applied equally amongst all genders, races, religions, etc.

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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby chapcrap on Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:37 pm

As Night Strike said, that tournament was a one time exemption. I don't see this a future fixture in the tournament landscape.
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby Lindax on Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:49 pm

chapcrap wrote:As Night Strike said, that tournament was a one time exemption. I don't see this a future fixture in the tournament landscape.


That's totally beside the point. Read my post again....

I have no problem with the one-time exemption, btw.

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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby chapcrap on Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:58 pm

There can always be a discussion about anything. That doesn't mean that it will happen. He was simply stating that this was a one time exemption and if you are looking for more, then something in policy will need to change. As of now, this does not seem to be something that is in the future.
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby dazerazer on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:03 am

Were you guys raised by wolves? What kind of gentlemen acts this way? There is NOTHING wrong with treating women with the respect they deserve! Plus with us being such a small few, what is the harm here? There are exceptions made for international tourneys. Why must you fight tooth and nail to prevent the women from feeling a little bit special on a male dominated and male-centric site? Oh... I guess that would be why. This is a male-centric site and you guys want to keep all aspects of it that way. I get it.
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby Lindax on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:04 am

chapcrap wrote:There can always be a discussion about anything. That doesn't mean that it will happen. He was simply stating that this was a one time exemption and if you are looking for more, then something in policy will need to change. As of now, this does not seem to be something that is in the future.


You're first statement is untrue. As for the rest, you still don't get the point....

Now, this is really, honestly, not meant as a flame, but I'm glad you didn't write the constitution. ;)

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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby Lindax on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:05 am

dazerazer wrote:Were you guys raised by wolves? What kind of gentlemen acts this way? There is NOTHING wrong with treating women with the respect they deserve! Plus with us being such a small few, what is the harm here? There are exceptions made for international tourneys. Why must you fight tooth and nail to prevent the women from feeling a little bit special on a male dominated and male-centric site? Oh... I guess that would be why. This is a male-centric site and you guys want to keep all aspects of it that way. I get it.


Nope, you obviously don't get it either.

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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:21 am

Lindax I get what you are saying, but gender tournaments are different than race or religion. We can go back and forth, but you know they are not the same. Personally I am glad this tournament went on to be let run. The ladies of CC need more perks if you ask me. With that said, which team will you be rooting for? So many good choices.
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby dazerazer on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:24 am

Lindax wrote:
dazerazer wrote:Were you guys raised by wolves? What kind of gentlemen acts this way? There is NOTHING wrong with treating women with the respect they deserve! Plus with us being such a small few, what is the harm here? There are exceptions made for international tourneys. Why must you fight tooth and nail to prevent the women from feeling a little bit special on a male dominated and male-centric site? Oh... I guess that would be why. This is a male-centric site and you guys want to keep all aspects of it that way. I get it.


Nope, you obviously don't get it either.

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Nope? That is all you can say? Nope to what? Which question is it you are "nope"ing? I believe that, just as there is a policy created for other specific types of tourneys, there should be a policy on tourneys which would allow us all to play in the tournament without regard to the "Ball Busterz" usergroup. Do we even have specified usergroups based on color or religion?
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby swimmerdude99 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:26 am

I feel like 1) this was blown out of proportion 2) I do agree that that usergroup would be frowned upon, but its the double standards of our culture I guess. 2 girls hug each other, no big deal. Two guys hug each other and you get a look from the crowd, but that is beside the point.

I don't tink that there is an issue "discriminating" if thats what you want to call it, in the entries for tournies. Similar to the 2000+ tournies or "low-rank" tournies, or "non-clan member tournies." Also, other tourney organizers have the right to say no to foes or people who deadbeat. The tourney organizer is supposed to be allowed to run a fun tourney. I don't see what is wrong with this? The person who creates the tourney is allowed to run it right? WE don't need a CC government taking over, they are here to just make things run smoothly.

Moral of story, all girl tourney. sure. its a social thing, gettting to know each other... however if we had a "White people tourney" THAT would be wrong. becuase it is done with no good philosophy. However the tourney which this is stemming from is not an issue. Its like a girls' night out. People like to have fun.

Have a good evening :)
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby merch313 on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:26 am

Lindax wrote:Or how about starting a usergroup for man only, called "Vagina Ripperz"?
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I would like to join this usergroup ;)

I kinda get what you are sayin LX. Im going to think about it and get back to you!
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:27 am

If there was a very limited number of tournaments then I would not be for this so-called discrimination. But there is more than enough opportunity for everybody to compete in plenty of tournaments (almost all of them even). Also, this tournament does not affect any male member's standing on CC.

I think class based tournaments is a solid foundation. As long as it is upfront and there is no individual discrimination then I see no problem. The females should be allowed to hold as many female only tournaments as they want. And conversely if any male wants to hold a male only tournament then that should be fine too. And I believe that due to the abundance of available tournaments then it does not need to be a one time exception, but an constant allowance.

Based on this concept, I would say that regional tournaments should be allowed as well. If someone wanted to hold a France residents only tournament then I'd be fine with that as well.
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby NoSurvivors on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:29 am

I honestly don't see the issue here.. Why can't they make their tourney? If a male wants in, then can't he make a tourney that has the same map, etc? What is the big problem? I see not a thing wrong with it, lol. Heck, even if I were to make say a (as an example) Jewish only tournament, who says a catholic person can't make a tourney with the same aspects as that tourney? Don't mean to be rude but seriously not allowing a female only tourney sounds kinda silky at this point...
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby Namliam on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:33 am

Lx, are you seriously still going on about this?? Let it go man! Don't be the mega-douche here! The ladies are going to have a tourney all to themselves, and have a great time with it. Why can't you handle that?
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Re: Gender-Specific Tournaments, what's the next step?

Postby dazerazer on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:34 am

Very excellent points made by all you fine gentleMEN. Thanks for making it known you support and respect and value the CC women! Very classy of you gents and I personally thank you kindly! :D
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