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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Sun May 24, 2009 4:00 am

jpcloet wrote:Did you clear this with a TD?

Unless you state clearly what the spy can and cannot do, this is a predefined secret diplomacy and not allowed.



Key word: Unless

I am stating clearly to all particpants what the spy can and cannot do (and what all players can do) as part of the tournament brief and a personal PM to all particpants so that everybody is clear on the rules. Therefore it is not a secret diplomacy...
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby JoshyBoy on Sun May 24, 2009 4:52 am

ofthe wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
ofthe wrote:edit: alright, jp, I really want this to go ahead, so who should I be contacting to talk about it?


You've already got your answer. This idea is full of secret diplomacy, and to an extent serial teammate killing which are both against site rules.



Well, this is a real shame. Shame on you, Gilligan.


SHAME ON YOU, FOOL!

Abandon the idea!
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby jpcloet on Sun May 24, 2009 6:27 am

@ofthe

The TD's are not responsible for brainstorming, just whether your tournament is valid. The other players here will help to some degree, but my experience with new innovative tournaments is that they take some time to plan and sometimes are not possible. Having teammates attack teammates is just a bad idea, sorry. My current Deadly Vipers Tournament took several months to plan and I got clearance on the attempts rule. It has a number of new or rarely used features, maybe you can get some inspiration from it.

I have yet to figure out a way to get multiplayer games into a 2-clan challenge that doesn't break the Secret Diplomacy rule as there would be predefined teams, ie. clans Eg. Say you have 4 people designated as a team on a terminator team. Players 1,3,5,7 from one clan and 2,4,6,8 from the other. This breaks the Secret Dimplomacy rule. One of several ideas I had to abandon.

As for "wording", your first post still doesn't specifically say that the spy will be expected to attack his teammates.

As for ideas:
What if the spy only gave information? Eg. Each round Team 2 asks the spy on team 1, a question like, does player 1 hold the O bonus on Classic shapes? The spy then has to answer. This may be tedious to do via pm, and not sure how you would monitor or ensure the spy answers in a timely basis.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Sun May 24, 2009 6:34 am

Thank-you jp, but I'm going to have to chuck it in. As you said, it would be too hard to regulate for spies to give information each turn. Delete this thread or whatever you're meant to do....I'll see if I can think of anything else in the meantime...
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Gilligan on Sun May 24, 2009 7:13 am

ofthe, we are not trying to spit on your face. It is our duty to maintain the rules of CC inside of the tournament forum, it is not a place where rules can be violated because of its nature.

That said, let's look at the Rules page.

Rules wrote:Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new members.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Qwert on Sun May 24, 2009 11:17 am

Rules wrote:
Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new members.

Gilligan,if i understand good,these rules is for people who have secret alliances,who nobody knows,but if you have tournament where these is announce,and where people know that someon in hes team is spy,i dont understand how can these be a brake of rules. These is concept of these tournament, and i must say that you all ready have some examples where is not importan your team mate.
If Tournament have hes rules,who explane to all people that someon in hes team is spy,then i dont see any problem. If you want to have some control over tournament,then TD can get list of all spyes,and can observe tournament progress.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Gozar on Sun May 24, 2009 2:32 pm

qwert wrote:
Rules wrote:
Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new members.

Gilligan,if i understand good,these rules is for people who have secret alliances,who nobody knows,but if you have tournament where these is announce,and where people know that someon in hes team is spy,i dont understand how can these be a brake of rules. These is concept of these tournament, and i must say that you all ready have some examples where is not importan your team mate.
If Tournament have hes rules,who explane to all people that someon in hes team is spy,then i dont see any problem. If you want to have some control over tournament,then TD can get list of all spyes,and can observe tournament progress.


I agree with qwert. If everyone is upfront, how is this a problem? It certainly is not a 'gross abuse of the game'
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Mon May 25, 2009 5:01 am

Ha! Just when I had given up the idea I get some support....

Gilligan?
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby JoshyBoy on Mon May 25, 2009 5:09 am

I would be interested in giving this a go btw.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Optimus Prime on Mon May 25, 2009 2:28 pm

Gozar wrote:I agree with qwert. If everyone is upfront, how is this a problem? It certainly is not a 'gross abuse of the game'

The precedent has been set previously on several occasions that tournaments endorsing activities that break site rules will not be allowed. At this time that isn't a precedent that is going to be changed.

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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Gozar on Mon May 25, 2009 4:29 pm

Boourns.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Natewolfman on Mon May 25, 2009 4:54 pm

ofthe wrote:Ha! Just when I had given up the idea I get some support....

Gilligan?

For the record I love innovation, and in fact ive often joined tournaments souly to support special ideas. If I remember correctly similar ideas have been denied in the past, 8-way games with secret diplomacy and what not. It is a neat idea to be sure, but when the red names lay down the law, there is little we TD's can do.

Again though its a neat idea, I personally would like to see what else you can come up with, just stay away from stuff that goes against general rules and im sure you will have something great to give us! :)
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Qwert on Tue May 26, 2009 8:52 am

The precedent has been set previously on several occasions that tournaments endorsing activities that break site rules will not be allowed. At this time that isn't a precedent that is going to be changed.

Then you can create new rules who will alove for tournament purposes these options.
"Secret aliances is only alove in specific tournaments who need to anonce that ,and who will be observed from Tournament Directory moderators"

Its very simple to create new rules,ofcourse these again depend of few people who is charge here. ;)
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Night Strike on Tue May 26, 2009 11:24 am

Yes qwert, it is very easy to change the rules. It's just that it will not happen.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby sailorseal on Tue May 26, 2009 6:34 pm

I sit here baffled that this has not been locked, it seems he has gotten his answer and that there is no more to be said and all further posts are spam.
ofthe, you have not been allowed to create this tournament, game over, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Wed May 27, 2009 2:46 am

I admitted defeat a while back...but it's other people who are still arguing about it. I don't mind, because they might have more influence over the Tournament directors, although just remember it's not me who's still commenting (besides this comment..lol..)
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Gozar on Wed May 27, 2009 5:41 pm

Though the point is moot and discussion pretty much over, in the interest of debate I put forward that it is the letter of the law being enforced here, and not the intent with which it was crafted.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby SuicidalSnowman on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:13 pm

I don't mean to bump a dead topic, but this got me thinking, and I was wondering what the community thought about it:

The classic game that is only somewhat similar to this in nature, although played with miniature figurines on a table top, had an option for "secret missions" which were cards you drew that said things like "Own 35 territories", "Own North America" "Kill Yellow" or "Own Australia and Mexico".

Could this be used to allow for players to avoid secret diplomacy but allow for some interesting objectives? Would a tournament based around this be allowable?

You might have say, Blue protecting Green because it seemed like Yellow was targeting him, or Red allowing Slate to Hold S.A. because all Red needed was 35 territories. But it would not allow for secret diplomacy or other unusual rules, right?
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