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Postby HayesA on Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:31 am

You got my vote, Fruitcake buddy. I'm bloody sick of losing the game due to omigawd dice rolls. I don't see how dice are the "heart" of the game. I thought it was Risk/Strategy? This would definitely make me want to maybe buy premium, and use Fog of War for all my games.
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Postby Kemmler on Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:48 am

Definitely needs tweaking then it might be good... with neutrals it would suck
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Postby Fruitcake on Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:12 pm

Risktaker17 wrote


Been rejected more times than anyone can remember!


Interesting. I was not led to believe this.

I was asked to see what the response would be like to a discussion and a poll.

Perhaps you mean, it has previously died a death due to not being supported. Strangely the voting seems, so far to be quite reasonable.
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Postby Fruitcake on Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:15 pm

Kemmler wrote

Definitely needs tweaking then it might be good... with neutrals it would suck


In what way Kemmler? Seriously. I am interested in why.
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Postby AXE00026 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:30 pm

TO view an existing military strategy game, based on movements,negotiations and no dice.... locate the board game "diplomacy"....
A worthy challenge for all game players and a sound basis for an online game.
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Postby billval3 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:41 pm

Let's not forget that just because there are dice involved, that does not make Risk a game of chance. It takes a lot of strategic skill to plan a win despite the possibility of having bad dice.

I don't like the concept that 1 army always defeats 1 army because that's not at all like real life. It just seems like you're simplifying the game too much by making that kind of a rule.
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Postby dilbertofaus on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:49 am

I'm with you Fruitcake. Adds a different element to the game, and makes the game purely strategic. I think this would give players the option of "the gamble of the die" or a "pure strategy" game.

I personally enjoy the luck of the roll due to the unknown element, but the use of cards as you say would add this option to the pure strategy game.

Like your thinking. Got my vote.
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Re: No Dice

Postby insomniacdude on Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:41 pm

dilbertofaus wrote:Adds a different element to the game, and makes the game purely strategic.


...no it doesn't. It just means the variables of luck have an even bigger impact than before: drop, play order, and (if you're playing with them) cards.
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Postby pascalleke on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:04 pm

:shock:
maybee its time you find yourself another game to play if you dont like playing risk with the dice :lol:
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Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:05 pm

Fun or not, it still doesn't seem like Risk.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:20 pm

I guess as an option, I think it takes the Risk part out of Risk though
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Postby Audax on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:33 pm

insomniacdude wrote


It just means the variables of luck have an even bigger impact than before: drop, play order, and (if you're playing with them) cards.


How? If you remove one variable, it does not mean other variables suddenly get greater...They still remain the same. The cards are still the same, the drop and the order. They don't suddenly change because dice are not involved.

pascalleke wrote


maybee its time you find yourself another game to play if you dont like playing risk with the dice


Yeah, like risk without dice. Sorry to seem flippant but I really cannot see any real arguement in that statement for or against. Like fruitcake says, the essence of the game is strategy. Luck plays a part. Reduce some of the luck element by removing dice, skill becomes a greater part.

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Fun or not, it still doesn't seem like Risk.


That's cool, we are all entitled to an opinion. I think it does. That is my opinion.
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Postby God255 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:14 pm

Yeah, that sounds great. Lets have a no dice game option. I'm all for this.
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Postby BaldAdonis on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:33 pm

BaldAdonis wrote:Let's play a game right now. Since you don't need dice, the entire game can be done by writing down your moves, once you know the starting position. You could play by mail! (like Diplomacy, but with fewer rules)

Better yet, head over to forum games, and play there. Then you can figure out your strategies, and it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC.
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Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:35 pm

I like it :D
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Postby Fruitcake on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:56 pm

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Better yet, head over to forum games, and play there. Then you can figure out your strategies, and it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC.


It is interesting that the voting so far shows those who do want this option are rising as fast as the opposite.

I have had many pms from people who have asked how they can help keep pushing this along.

please remember, we are all members, so we all deserve respect and reasonable levelled discourse.

Lastly, your comment is most odd. To say 'it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC' is EXACTLY what I am saying....that is why I am putting forward as an option!!! I do not go round all those who do or dont want maps I never play on saying go and play your game elsewhere, that would be conceited, condescending, supercilious, self important and insulting...wouldn't it?
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Postby pimphawks70 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:05 pm

THIS IS A RISK WEBSITE AND DICE ARE PART OF RISK... CHANGING THIS WOULD BE RETARDED!!! :D :D :D :D :D
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Postby BaldAdonis on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:08 pm

Fruitcake wrote:Lastly, your comment is most odd. To say 'it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC' is EXACTLY what I am saying

You're saying you want it to be considered as a game like CC, which is not what I want to see. When I click on your profile and see that you've won x% of games, I don't want those to be no dice games anymore than I want them to be forum mafia or trivia games (or "guess which number I'm thinking of" games), insofar as they give no information about how well you play Risk. If you want to play this no dice style, you can do it just as well by posting your moves in the forum (see Forza AZ's Doodle Earth tournament), because you don't need any of the site's Risk capabilities (since you're not playing Risk anymore).
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Postby Audax on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:38 pm

You're saying you want it to be considered as a game like CC, which is not what I want to see. When I click on your profile and see that you've won x% of games, I don't want those to be no dice games anymore than I want them to be forum mafia or trivia games (or "guess which number I'm thinking of" games), insofar as they give no information about how well you play Risk.


Wow...how arrogant are you man???? (which is not what I want to see....lol)

Since when was fog of war a risk game???? NEVER until CC.

How do you know what I play to check whether you want to play me....oh yes, you look at the page kindly supplied by the site which shows you!!!!

I am stunned at the sheer obstinate attitude of some...here, get this...the world evolves, the world moves, adapts and changes.

What is being asked for is an option, not something you HAVE to do. If this became an option, you would have to do one thing....click the dice box rather than the no dice box. How difficult is that?

Hear hear Fruitcake...anything I can do to drum up support, you have my resources at your disposal.
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Postby General K on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:56 pm

I voted yes... dice sucks most times in here!
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Postby uzless on Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:27 pm

the dice are for sure way too streaky.

Anything to take away the blatant streakiness would be appreciated
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:41 pm

No dice sounds like an awful idea, it takes away at a major essence of Risk. I think it will destroy much of the gameplay. I believe it wouldn't be fun, it would be a waste of time

I voted yes as an option because I know there are others with differing views
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Postby Mr_Adams on Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:28 pm

Umm... I believe this has been suggested before, and I supported it. this thread has more momentum, so of corse I'll support it again :D
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Postby BaldAdonis on Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:03 am

Audax wrote:Since when was fog of war a risk game???? NEVER until CC.
Fog of War is used in a lot of Risk games where the capability exists. Every Hasbro computer version has it, and it's not a (drastically) different game, you just lose some information.
How do you know what I play to check whether you want to play me....oh yes, you look at the page kindly supplied by the site which shows you!!!!
My point is about the records of the games. Since this is an entirely different game (not a probabalistic game, but a solvable game), the records should not be combined with your record on real games. The page doesn't sort game types, so it would not be useful.
What is being asked for is an option, not something you HAVE to do. If this became an option, you would have to do one thing....click the dice box rather than the no dice box. How difficult is that?

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Postby DirtyDishSoap on Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:09 pm

This would be a great option, and a greater challenge.
Voted yes :D
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