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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:34 pm

benny profane wrote:hey cairns, this looks great!
i much prefer the changes you made for version 7.

i only have one suggestion:
the color bars you use to represent the long distance lines in the legend are a great idea.
and while i know that space is very tight, is there any way you might be able to make them a *tiny* bit thicker?
it hurts the eyes a bit trying to distinguish them.
not a major problem, and if there isn't room, it's understandable.
otherwise, i agree that this should be moved to the foundry.


Thanks Benny....I'll see what i can do with this to give it more real estate. :)
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Postby Night Strike on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:40 pm

Just so you know, this and Rail Europe would be great to have finished soon. I'm using Rail USA in a tournament and I may use these in a couple sequels I have planned. Keep these up. (I personally like them better than some of the other more "complicated" ones.)
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:54 pm

Night Strike wrote:Just so you know, this and Rail Europe would be great to have finished soon. I'm using Rail USA in a tournament and I may use these in a couple sequels I have planned. Keep these up. (I personally like them better than some of the other more "complicated" ones.)


Thanks Night Strike....i can't push the foundry process for this map.
I'm working on rails for Rail Europe, and also making changes on this map to get it into the Foundry....so it may be sometime (at least another month or so) before these get quenched.

Why don't you wait until the whole series (Asia and South America) are completed (hopefully be the end of this year)?
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Postby Night Strike on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:58 pm

Because the tournament just includes these, they aren't featured. They're trips through the various continents. The current one is Amazing Race: USA.

On topic, I'm kinda confused on the Long Distance Bonuses. Are those labeled by the attack lines that actually have railroads??
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:07 pm

Night Strike wrote:Because the tournament just includes these, they aren't featured. They're trips through the various continents. The current one is Amazing Race: USA.
Understand :)

On topic, I'm kinda confused on the Long Distance Bonuses. Are those labeled by the attack lines that actually have railroads??

the long distance trains simply are extra bonuses on top of what you get if you hold the state based continents....this map is more like the traditional classic format.
the long distance trains...if you hold all the stations on those routes you get that bonus.
so for the overlander...you'd have to hold ADL+BDT+MEL...you'd get an extra (1) bonus.
mind you these bonuses are not yet finalised, but in gameplay, they could be used to gain extra to get the state bonus.
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Postby Night Strike on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:12 pm

Ok then, 2 comments:

1. Did you mean to skip some stations along the way?? (i.e. Overlander has BDT in the middle, but it's not listed) Does that mean you don't have to own those stations?? Basically, it's vague.

2. I don't think they're represented very well at the moment. The key colors are much brighter than the actual lines, and it gets tedious to read through exactly which station is included in each bonus.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:13 pm

Version 8

Changed the legend long-distance lines to thicken and emphasize them.

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Postby benny profane on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:17 pm

awesome, that looks much better!
thanks!
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Postby FreeMan10 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:41 pm

Much prefer the 'sunburst' background in v8 - looks really good.

The latest long-distance legend finally clued me in on what you meant about these, so I think it works!

I've got the glasses on today, instead of my contacts, so I'm not seeing as well as I'd like. I'll wait a day or two to give the graphics a good eye-balling.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:58 pm

This is an interesting addition for this map....the lyrics to the song Indian-Pacific by Slim Dusty...

and the fantastic youTube clip!!!
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From coast to coast by night and day, hear the clickin' of the wheels
The hummin' of the diesel, of her ribbons of steel
Carryin' the memories of a nation built by hand
See the Indian Pacific span the land

She's the pride of all the railway men 'cross country where she flies
From blue Pacific waters to where the mountains rise
By lakes and wide brown rivers, through desert country dry
See the Indian Pacific passin' by

Oh the Indian Pacific she goes rollin' down the track
Five thousand miles to travel before she's there and back
Beside the line, a drover waves his battered old grey hat
And kids are catchin' yabbies down by the river flat
And a woman hangs her washing in a backyard near the line
As the Indian Pacific's rollin' by

Hear the whistle blowin' lonely 'neath the Nullabor star light
Saluting those who walk across the track she romps tonight
Callin' to the railway camp and the fitters on the line
I'm the Indian Pacific, right on time

From the silver of the Broken Hill to old Kalgoorlie gold
She mirrors all the colours of the land so hot and old
Then the western clouds are blooming and the air is just like wine
And the Indian Pacific's makin' time

Oh the Indian Pacific she goes rollin' down the track
Five thousand miles to travel before she's there and back
From the waters of the western sea to the eastern ocean sand
The Indian Pacific spans the land
Oh the Indian Pacific spans the land
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Postby Kaplowitz on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:14 pm

I think you should mix up the resource pairs a little bit. Like have some in different continents to make it a little more interesting.

For example put the PHL Port in like KTN or something.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:23 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:I think you should mix up the resource pairs a little bit. Like have some in different continents to make it a little more interesting.

For example put the PHL Port in like KTN or something.


Oh dear Kaplowitz....that'd bugger the Australian mineral boom up completely.

Sorry, but the ports apply to the mineral areas that need the ports for export and the rails provide the links. Can't undo this reality. :)

put the phl port in the middle of the country...balmey, absolute shockers Kaplowitz....that's the worst suggestion i've ever seen you make. if you mean something different, then please explain away.
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Postby Kaplowitz on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:30 pm

I meant like switch the colors a bit so that the matching ports+minerals are not in the same continent for some cases.

but i forgot accuracy! #-o
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:34 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:I meant like switch the colors a bit so that the matching ports+minerals are not in the same continent for some cases.

but i forgot accuracy! #-o


sorry...but the corresponding colour mineral and port icons need to be in the same states.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:11 pm

As I said in qwert's topic. I can't see photobucket at my present location, the only thing I know for sure I can see is imageshack.us images. So while I suspect this is moveable, I need to wait tell I have time at a photobucket friendly location.

Sorry about the delay.
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Postby Night Strike on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:25 pm

The rails between SYD and NWC are nearly impossible to see.

Several of the normal lines in the bottom right are really skinny, and orange is almost washed out.
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:28 pm

Coleman wrote:As I said in qwert's topic. I can't see photobucket at my present location, the only thing I know for sure I can see is imageshack.us images. So while I suspect this is moveable, I need to wait tell I have time at a photobucket friendly location.

Sorry about the delay.


no worries coleman...thanks for the info :)
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Postby cairnswk on Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:31 pm

Night Strike wrote:The rails between SYD and NWC are nearly impossible to see.

can probably do something there....

Several of the normal lines in the bottom right are really skinny,
what colour?

and orange is almost washed out.
that is tasmanian rail and i think you must be blind if you can see that orange...or are you talking about the south australian red.
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Postby Night Strike on Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:22 am

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Both Tas Rail and Vic Rail have very skinny normal lines compared to the other colors (by the way, I'm defining normal as the non-long distance lines).

By washed out, I was meaning the orange line in the ocean is partially covered by the dark ocean color. The color itself is just fine.
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:37 am

Night Strike wrote:Sorry, I wasn't clear. Both Tas Rail and Vic Rail have very skinny normal lines compared to the other colors (by the way, I'm defining normal as the non-long distance lines).

By washed out, I was meaning the orange line in the ocean is partially covered by the dark ocean color. The color itself is just fine.


How right you were with the thickness...my bad :oops:

The orange line from LNC to MEL is a sea ferry of connection of course so it is segmented dash.

Corrections in next version.. thanks :)
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Postby Night Strike on Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:40 am

You call that a segmented dash??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

It may look more like one once you thicken the line. I'll wait for the next update.
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Postby Tieryn on Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:58 am

Suggestions:

Put a little ferry between launceston and melbourne.

Change the sleeper spacings or colours for different long-distance. Currently it looks like the indian pacific goes through adelaide towards melbourne. Different coloured sleepers on these tracks would make it easier to distinguish on a quick glance. Also a different spacing could also work, take out every second sleeper perhaps on the overlander.

With the territ list down the bottom, you need to be careful that people don't think you only need to hold the territories listed, state that all stations on the line are needed

I really like the new colour scheme. Very outback. Very aussie rail-scenery.

A possible change of kink/direction in the PGA-ADL link, or perhaps some bend, to show that it passes alongside the adelaide station then heads back up to BHL.

Perhaps you could put "termination point" graphics at the start and end of the legend, and then the on the stations? (not sure where they would fit...)

Should the WYA [P] be in the top right like all the rest? could you move the rail line slightly left to go past this? (i figure it's been moved cause it was covering up the rail?) this is a little pedantic, but hey! :P

Are you going to have an Apple Port in Hobart? How else will they run the Sydney to Hobart yacht race? :P

Anyway, there's a few balls to bounce about the table.
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Postby cairnswk on Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:43 am

Thanks Tieryn...i'll see what i can do.
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Postby Coleman on Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:18 pm

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Postby oaktown on Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:57 pm

welcome to the foundry, yet again. :)

Question - to get the mineral-port bonus, do you just have to hold the two territories, or do you have to connect them? Because connecting them would make more sense, as the idea is that you're getting the goods to the port, but there are many, many possible routes in which you could connect them.
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