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Postby peanut72 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:36 am

sfhbballnut wrote:already been suggested, under initial troop deployment if i'm not mistaken, think its pending
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Option for sequential picking of territories?

Postby Statalyzer on Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:24 pm

How about an option to, instead of randomly assigning territories, have people pick them in order as in the board game.

The problem with the board game was it was an advantage to place first, so how about a placement order that snakes back-and-forth, Catan-style? Ie a 4-player game would go 1234432112344321...

The current random system is okay, but sometimes one player gets in a better position than another before making a single meaningful choice, so why not have the option to go random or select for yourself?
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Postby newline on Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:01 pm

the only problrm i can see other then abuse is that it would take for ever to actually start the game, if one of the players can only get to a computer once a day you are looking at (Terr nums/ num of player) days befor the game actually starts.
So im gonan go with a NO!
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Postby Arcee on Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:14 pm

i'm pretty sure this has been suggested a bunch of times. the answer is that it would take forever for the game to start.
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Postby Chadwick31 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:52 am

You could make it an option for only speed games, and give 30 seconds to place, or something like that.
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Re: Option for sequential picking of territories?

Postby greenoaks on Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:24 am

Statalyzer wrote:How about an option to, instead of randomly assigning territories, have people pick them in order as in the board game.

The problem with the board game was it was an advantage to place first, so how about a placement order that snakes back-and-forth, Catan-style? Ie a 4-player game would go 1234432112344321...

The current random system is okay, but sometimes one player gets in a better position than another before making a single meaningful choice, so why not have the option to go random or select for yourself?

so what if 'sometimes' a player gets a better start than everyone else.
sometimes a player gets a worse start. it all averages out in the end.

so that would be a big fat NO from me.
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Postby Ditocoaf on Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:30 am

I think this would be viable as an option for realtime games and speed games. Admittedly, the idea as is wouldn't work for a regular 24hr turn game, but with creativity, I bet there's a way to let players pick territories.

Here's an example (not an actual recommendation, but just to show that there can be ways of tweaking this to make it work): From the start of the game, each player has 24 hours to rank all territories from first pick to last. Then the game simulates players taking turns to pick, based on that. (this wouldn't actually be desirable, because a-too complicated, and b-choices should be partially based on what's already been taken.)

This could be an interesting gameplay option, but it probably won't be, and shouldn't be, available for a while; lack's already got too many other good ideas to work on.
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beggining army deployment

Postby slightly_mute on Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:08 pm

i think there should be the option of deploying armies at the beginning. this would be a lengthy process, especially for non-speed games, but i think it's one of the key factors in strategic playing, and would be a very nice feature to choose.

also, it would be interesting to have a feature in the game, where you have assistance in maybe setting a common time that people would be able to play? i know this kind of defeats the purpose of speed games, and would maybe hinder the amount of premium memberships, but if the above was implimented, it would be nice if atleast when the game started, you could get the deployment out of the way.
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Re: beggining army deployment

Postby oggiss on Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:22 pm

slightly_mute wrote:i think there should be the option of deploying armies at the beginning. this would be a lengthy process, especially for non-speed games, but i think it's one of the key factors in strategic playing, and would be a very nice feature to choose.

also, it would be interesting to have a feature in the game, where you have assistance in maybe setting a common time that people would be able to play? i know this kind of defeats the purpose of speed games, and would maybe hinder the amount of premium memberships, but if the above was implimented, it would be nice if atleast when the game started, you could get the deployment out of the way.


Don't know what you are suggestion here but get a premium membership that will surely help you out ;)
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Re: beggining army deployment

Postby greenoaks on Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:53 pm

slightly_mute wrote:also, it would be interesting to have a feature in the game, where you have assistance in maybe setting a common time that people would be able to play? i know this kind of defeats the purpose of speed games, and would maybe hinder the amount of premium memberships, but if the above was implimented, it would be nice if atleast when the game started, you could get the deployment out of the way.

do you have any other great ideas the owner could implement that would reduce the patronage of this site and its profitability.
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Re: beggining army deployment

Postby BaldAdonis on Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:52 pm

slightly_mute wrote:this would be a lengthy process

It wouldn't have to be. If you want to select your territories instead of having them randomly placed, then just number the territories in the order you want, as though you were drafting them. If you want to decide your deployment instead of having 3 everywhere, just include a round 0 where everyone gets a day (or 5 minutes) to deploy, and can only see who owns what, not where they've deployed.
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Postby slightly_mute on Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:19 pm

well, i'm going off of the idea behind the board game. in the beginning, you take turns putting down one army. the idea is that you see where everyone else is placing their armies.
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Postby Soloman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:15 am

slightly_mute wrote:well, i'm going off of the idea behind the board game. in the beginning, you take turns putting down one army. the idea is that you see where everyone else is placing their armies.
Would kill fog of war games. But I agree random means less strategy involved with the game.

Check out some of the other options floating around that create far more strategy then there currently is
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Postby greenoaks on Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:06 pm

slightly_mute wrote:well, i'm going off of the idea behind the board game. in the beginning, you take turns putting down one army. the idea is that you see where everyone else is placing their armies.
so how many years would it take to start a casual 8 player game on world 2.1 if we all took turns to deploy some armies, see where others deploy, deploy more ourselves, etc ?
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Postby laci_mae on Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:44 am

greenoaks wrote:
slightly_mute wrote:well, i'm going off of the idea behind the board game. in the beginning, you take turns putting down one army. the idea is that you see where everyone else is placing their armies.
so how many years would it take to start a casual 8 player game on world 2.1 if we all took turns to deploy some armies, see where others deploy, deploy more ourselves, etc ?


So, do you have anything to say that's not sarcastic and bitter? I'm sure this new member who is honestly trying to contribute to the site and forum will feel encouraged to upgrade to a premium membership in response to your back-handed comments.

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Postby greenoaks on Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:40 am

laci_mae wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
slightly_mute wrote:well, i'm going off of the idea behind the board game. in the beginning, you take turns putting down one army. the idea is that you see where everyone else is placing their armies.
so how many years would it take to start a casual 8 player game on world 2.1 if we all took turns to deploy some armies, see where others deploy, deploy more ourselves, etc ?


So, do you have anything to say that's not sarcastic and bitter? I'm sure this new member who is honestly trying to contribute to the site and forum will feel encouraged to upgrade to a premium membership in response to your back-handed comments.

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Postby PaperPlunger on Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:54 am

Even in real Risk, you get cards for where you place your armies when starting, so in effect, it is random.
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Postby Twill on Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:18 pm

greenoaks, laci_mae is right. If you don't have anything meaningful to say...don't If you have something to say, say it nicely ;)

Mute, the main problem is the timing. You could do it with speed games, maybe, but in a 3 player game, depending on the map, each person would have anywhere from 10 to 50 armies to place. If they were placed one at a time in a 5 minute turn cycle, that would add up to 12 hours to a speed game JUST in deployment.

If you do it in blocks, yes, it might work time wise, but again you lose the element of "see where the others are placing" making the impetus to do it rather meaningless.

It's been asked for several times, but the implementation of it doesn't seem to work well in an asynchronous environment.
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Choosing Placement

Postby waiwai933 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:42 pm

Concise description:
  • Allowing members to pick territories in order using a list.

Specifics:
  1. Allow an option for members to pick territories.
  2. To save time, have members rank a list of all territories when they join the game. This list should include all starting territories, in order of how much they want them.
  3. When the game begins, assign Player 1 their first territory.
  4. Continue with every player. If a territory has already been chosen, go to the next one.
  5. Continue until all territories are occupied. If there is an uneven number, fill the remaining with neutrals. (As is currently done)
  6. Do NOT allow members to choose number of armies as this will change depending on which territories they get.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • Gameplay
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Re: Choosing Placement

Postby Thezzaruz on Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:24 am

Re-posted from another thread...
Thezzaruz wrote:Has been proposed before but never been considered a priority. Mainly because of the fact that it's really only feasible in speed games.


And even if your priority list is a new thing that makes the idea much more feasible I'd rather keep it the way it is.
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Re: Choosing Placement

Postby waiwai933 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:37 pm

This is why I'd like to make it an option, like Fortifications, or Cards. I understand that some people would not like to go through the hassle of deciding a list, or prefer the excitement of randomness. In fact, I feel partially this way myself.
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Re: Choosing Placement

Postby Sir. Ricco on Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:22 am

I would hate going through the list on Conquer Man. #-o

I rather be able to deploy man starting armies where I wanted then choosing starting territories.
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Re: Choosing Placement

Postby waiwai933 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:26 pm

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Re: Choosing Placement

Postby max is gr8 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:19 am

The problem with this is I might have west australia high on my list but if I don't have new guinea or Eat Auss why would I want it?
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Manual Territories

Postby Dibbun on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:55 am

Concise description:
  • There would be a game option to have manual territory selection.

Specifics/Details:
  • When the manual territories option is selected, players will go 1 by 1 selecting the territories they desire. Then, depending on whether deployment is automatic or manual, after all territories which will be selected have been, the deployment phase will begin.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • Adds additional customization and layers of strategies to games.
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