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Postby edbeard on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:31 am

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What you need to know:

1. 30 territories
2. 6 continents

Changes in this update
1. did some shit. now we've got both small and large

To Do:

1. change up XML names to match changes I've made. finish up centering based on circle movements

Points of Discussion

1. graphics. good for stamp? damn right it is.

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  <map>
  <title>Haiti</title>
  <smallwidth>550</smallwidth>
  <smallheight>407</smallheight>
  <largewidth>698</largewidth>
  <largeheight>517</largeheight>
  <filetype>png</filetype>

 <continent>
  <name>Nord</name>
  <bonus>4</bonus>
 <components>
  <territory>Baie de Henne</territory>
  <territory>Port-de-Paix</territory>
  <territory>Ile de la Tortue</territory>
  <territory>Le Borgne</territory>
  <territory>Cap-Haiten</territory>
  <territory>La Victoire</territory>
  <territory>Fort-Liberte</territory>
  </components>
  </continent>

 <continent>
  <name>Artibonite</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
 <components>
  <territory>Gonaives</territory>
  <territory>Cammon</territory>
  <territory>Paul</territory>
  <territory>Desdunes</territory>
  </components>
  </continent>

 <continent>
  <name>Centre</name>
  <bonus>2</bonus>
 <components>
  <territory>Bouli</territory>
  <territory>Los Posos</territory>
  <territory>Hinche</territory>
  <territory>Roseau</territory>
  </components>
  </continent>

 <continent>
  <name>Ouest</name>
  <bonus>5</bonus>
 <components>
  <territory>Ile de la Gonave</territory>
  <territory>Saint-Marc</territory>
  <territory>Monet</territory>
  <territory>Port-au-Prince</territory>
  <territory>Kenscoff</territory>
  <territory>La Toison</territory>
  </components>
  </continent>

 <continent>
  <name>Sud</name>
  <bonus>2</bonus>
 <components>
  <territory>Jeremie</territory>
  <territory>Les Cayes</territory>
  <territory>Pestel</territory>
  <territory>Aquin</territory>
  </components>
  </continent>

 <continent>
  <name>Sud-Est</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
 <components>
  <territory>Cotes de Fer</territory>
  <territory>Leogane</territory>
  <territory>Bainet</territory>
  <territory>Jacmel</territory>
  <territory>Belle-Anse</territory>
  </components>
  </continent>

 <territory>
  <name>Baie de Henne</name>
<borders>
  <border>Port-de-Paix</border>
  <border>Pestel</border>
</borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>240</smallx>
  <smally>86</smally>
  <largex>304</largex>
  <largey>108</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Port-de-Paix</name>
<borders>
  <border>Baie de Henne</border>
  <border>Ile de la Tortue</border>
  <border>Cammon</border>
  <border>Gonaives</border>
</borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>288</smallx>
  <smally>84</smally>
  <largex>367</largex>
  <largey>102</largey>
  </coordinates>
</territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Ile de la Tortue</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Port-de-Paix</border>
  <border>Cap-Haiten</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>317</smallx>
  <smally>44</smally>
  <largex>404</largex>
  <largey>50</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Le Borgne</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Cap-Haiten</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>337</smallx>
  <smally>78</smally>
  <largex>434</largex>
  <largey>96</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Cap-Haiten</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Le Borgne</border>
  <border>Ile de la Tortue</border>
  <border>Fort-Liberte</border> 
  <border>Paul</border>
  <border>La Victoire</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>408</smallx>
  <smally>113</smally>
  <largex>519</largex>
  <largey>139</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Fort-Liberte</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Cap-Haiten</border>
  <border>La Victoire</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>462</smallx>
  <smally>126</smally>
  <largex>587</largex>
  <largey>156</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>


 <territory>
  <name>La Victoire</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Cap-Haiten</border>
  <border>Los Posos</border>
  <border>Fort-Liberte</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>434</smallx>
  <smally>146</smally>
  <largex>555</largex>
  <largey>186</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Gonaives</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Port-de-Paix</border>
  <border>Cammon</border>
  <border>Paul</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>302</smallx>
  <smally>119</smally>
  <largex>385</largex>
  <largey>146</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Cammon</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Port-de-Paix</border>
  <border>Gonaives</border>
  <border>Paul</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>346</smallx>
  <smally>130</smally>
  <largex>440</largex>
  <largey>160</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Paul</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Gonaives</border>
  <border>Cammon</border>
  <border>Cap-Haiten</border>
  <border>Desdunes</border>
  <border>Bouli</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>396</smallx>
  <smally>152</smally>
  <largex>476</largex>
  <largey>178</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Desdunes</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Paul</border>
  <border>Bouli</border>
  <border>Ile de la Gonave</border>
  <border>Saint-Marc</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>369</smallx>
  <smally>185</smally>
  <largex>470</largex>
  <largey>229</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Bouli</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Paul</border>
  <border>Desdunes</border>
  <border>Monet</border>
  <border>Hinche</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>421</smallx>
  <smally>214</smally>
  <largex>535</largex>
  <largey>266</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Los Posos</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Hinche</border>
  <border>La Victoire</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>483</smallx>
  <smally>207</smally>
  <largex>576</largex>
  <largey>230</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Hinche</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Bouli</border>
  <border>Los Posos</border>
  <border>Roseau</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>451</smallx>
  <smally>213</smally>
  <largex>576</largex>
  <largey>269</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Roseau</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Hinche</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>480</smallx>
  <smally>255</smally>
  <largex>606</largex>
  <largey>318</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Ile de la Gonave</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Saint-Marc</border>
  <border>Desdunes</border>
  <border>Port-au-Prince</border>
  <border>Pestel</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>278</smallx>
  <smally>250</smally>
  <largex>354</largex>
  <largey>311</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Saint-Marc</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Ile de la Gonave</border>
  <border>Monet</border>
  <border>Desdunes</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>365</smallx>
  <smally>241</smally>
  <largex>465</largex>
  <largey>299</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Monet</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Saint-Marc</border>
  <border>Bouli</border>
  <border>Port-au-Prince</border>
  <border>Kenscoff</border>
  <border>La Toison</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>411</smallx>
  <smally>279</smally>
  <largex>523</largex>
  <largey>346</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>


 <territory>
  <name>La Toison</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Monet</border>
  <border>Kenscoff</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>453</smallx>
  <smally>278</smally>
  <largex>577</largex>
  <largey>346</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Port-au-Prince</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Monet</border>
  <border>Kenscoff</border>
  <border>Ile de la Gonave</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>395</smallx>
  <smally>308</smally>
  <largex>503</largex>
  <largey>387</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Kenscoff</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Monet</border>
  <border>Port-au-Prince</border>
  <border>Jacmel</border>
  <border>Belle-Anse</border>
  <border>La Toison</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>432</smallx>
  <smally>315</smally>
  <largex>549</largex>
  <largey>395</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>


 <territory>
  <name>Jeremie</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Pestel</border>
  <border>Les Cayes</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>109</smallx>
  <smally>312</smally>
  <largex>140</largex>
  <largey>390</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Les Cayes</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Jeremie</border>
  <border>Pestel</border>
  <border>Aquin</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>141</smallx>
  <smally>359</smally>
  <largex>180</largex>
  <largey>450</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Pestel</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Jeremie</border>
  <border>Les Cayes</border>
  <border>Aquin</border>
  <border>Ile de la Gonave</border>
  <border>Baie de Henne</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>154</smallx>
  <smally>310</smally>
  <largex>197</largex>
  <largey>388</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Aquin</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Pestel</border>
  <border>Les Cayes</border>
  <border>Cotes de Fer</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>177</smallx>
  <smally>341</smally>
  <largex>220</largex>
  <largey>422</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Cotes de Fer</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Aquin</border>
  <border>Leogane</border>
  <border>Bainet</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>262</smallx>
  <smally>325</smally>
  <largex>334</largex>
  <largey>413</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Leogane</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Cotes de Fer</border>
  <border>Bainet</border>
  <border>Jacmel</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>344</smallx>
  <smally>326</smally>
  <largex>438</largex>
  <largey>408</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Bainet</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Cotes de Fer</border>
  <border>Leogane</border>
  <border>Jacmel</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>338</smallx>
  <smally>355</smally>
  <largex>430</largex>
  <largey>445</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Jacmel</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Belle-Anse</border>
  <border>Kenscoff</border>
  <border>Leogane</border>
  <border>Bainet</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>374</smallx>
  <smally>341</smally>
  <largex>475</largex>
  <largey>428</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

 <territory>
  <name>Belle-Anse</name>
 <borders>
  <border>Jacmel</border>
  <border>Kenscoff</border>
  </borders>
 <coordinates>
  <smallx>478</smallx>
  <smally>364</smally>
  <largex>608</largex>
  <largey>457</largey>
  </coordinates>
  </territory>

  </map>

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Postby Joodoo on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:35 am

not a lot of territories, but nice
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:18 am

Hm, I'd rather see a map of the whole island of Hispaniola...


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Postby TaCktiX on Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:22 am

Yeah, the Haiti one is a bit too small. I agree with Andy, add up the other countries on the island.
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Postby gimil on Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:25 am

TaCktiX wrote:Yeah, the Haiti one is a bit too small. I agree with Andy, add up the other countries on the island.


I dont know, I think more small maps is a good way to go. We need more of them :)
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:31 am

Hispaniola still can be a small map, I'd just rather see the whole island in play. :)


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Postby RjBeals on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:37 pm

I kind of like the idea, but when I think of Haiti, I think of ZOMBIES!! If there was some voodoo / zombie theme - that would seal the deal for me!
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Postby Unit_2 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:40 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Hispaniola still can be a small map, I'd just rather see the whole island in play. :)


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Postby CatfishJohnson on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:46 pm

I like the aspect of another simple small map, i mean yes u could do hispanola with both El Republico Dominico and Haiti but hell yall did Malta thats smaller then hispanola
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Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:55 pm

Agreed, it's not the size, it just seems Hispaniola's geography is easier to work with. Could try a period map:

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Postby CatfishJohnson on Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:58 pm

hmm yeah working with the whole island would be easier for u most likely i mean they are both owned by different contries the french and spanish i think..or was that another island...hmm i know the dominican republic is spanish and haiti is prob french..hmm,but fo sho i like the idea wheather u do either Haiti or Hispanola
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Postby edbeard on Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:03 pm

the problem with doing the whole island is it's quite wide and not that tall.


Anyway, I'd rather do just Haiti and not do the whole island. So, on to comments about this map please!
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Postby CatfishJohnson on Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:07 pm

I like the colors, they are easily seperable, fast play, simple gameplay, i like it
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Postby mibi on Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:38 pm

It's based on looking like a map you'd see in a textbook.


um... boring!

A country like Haiti deserves better.
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Postby edbeard on Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:52 pm

mibi wrote:
It's based on looking like a map you'd see in a textbook.


um... boring!

I disagree



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What you need to know:

1. 28 territories
2. 5 continents

Changes in this update
1. rivers made a bit wider
2. a couple names fixed to be geographically correct
3. one of the northern water routes changed to make the gameplay less linear.
4. a few army circles and territory labels moved around
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Postby Unit_2 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:09 am

Move the names: Baie de Henne into the territory and move the army circle down, move the army circle for bainet over to the way left and move the name into the territory and mone the army circle for Cotes de Fer down a bit and put the name in the territory.

Other then that it looks good.


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Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:35 am

match the legend colors with the ones on the map or vice versa
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Postby edbeard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:54 am

one thing I've been thinking about is adjusting the continents a bit

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those are the districts. One idea I had early on was to make the north a true north combining 7,5,6

If I did that, I'd also combine Fort-Liberte with Brouillard. Then, with the extra territory, I'd chop up Gonaives and make that area less linear with both territories touching Port-de-Paix.

In the south, I'd match up the Ouest territory more with how it is in real life. Those south three territories plus Leogane would be another continent.



In short the continents would essentially be

1. Districts 7, 5, 6

2. District 1

3. District 2

4. District 8

5. Districts 3, 4, 10

6. District 9
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Postby CatfishJohnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:40 am

sounds good either way to me i disagree with the mili guy or whatever. not every map has to have random shit exploding after the round is over i like strightforwardness, but i love the idea either way u decide to exacute it
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Re: Haiti v3 pg2

Postby edbeard on Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:50 pm

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v1

What you need to know:

1. 28 territories
2. 6 continents

Changes in this update
1. alternate version of continents
2. territories changed in a couple places to make this more feasible.
3. legend changed to reflect changes and order switched to more normal north-south order.

To Do:

1. Gameplay / Bonus Discussion
2. switch places of sud and sud-est in the legend
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Re: Haiti v3 pg2

Postby edbeard on Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:26 pm

also, regarding the legend colours, I don't see the problem. We want the legend to be a little bit prettier than the map. The dull colours don't work there but they look nice on the map itself. There's no way people are going to be confused about which colour matches what.
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Postby mibi on Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:14 pm

edbeard wrote:
mibi wrote:
It's based on looking like a map you'd see in a textbook.


um... boring!

I disagree




Where is the life an energy here? There seems no REASON for this map to exist. It's like you threw a dart at a globe and hacked out a map for a school project. Map from a textbook? Where is the fun in that? Actually, its not a map from a textbook, as any textbook that covered Haiti would have a little more relevance to it that this map. What you have here ebeard is a map that you would see in an atlas, and that sir, is the definition of boring.

Haiti has a rich history and incredibly vibrant culture, Carnival anyone? What you have done here is reduced a complex and passionate nation into Fisher Price level study of colors, shapes, and numbers.

Seriously, is there a reason why you chose Haiti? You probably should have chose a territory deserving of your bland palate like North Dakota or Micronesia.
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Re: Haiti v3 pg2

Postby edbeard on Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:06 pm

I chose it because I thought it would make for a good game of risk. The main reason for maps is to play risk on them, obviously.

There's no big reason ANY map needs to be made. Do we need a Portugal map? Do we need a San Francisco map? We don't need any of them. We're making them first and foremost to have a good unique game.

Period maps are good. Oaktown's Berlin being the most prominent in my mind. I don't want to make a period map.

We don't want every map to be 'bland' but a few more simple maps are not going to hurt anyone. There is a standard CC wants for maps and I think the direction of this map does and will fit those standards.

I've seen plenty of people asking for geographical maps around the forum and I'm making one.

thanks for your comments mibi.
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Re: Haiti v3 pg2

Postby mibi on Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:06 pm

edbeard wrote:I chose it because I thought it would make for a good game of risk. The main reason for maps is to play risk on them, obviously.

There's no big reason ANY map needs to be made. Do we need a Portugal map? Do we need a San Francisco map? We don't need any of them. We're making them first and foremost to have a good unique game.

Period maps are good. Oaktown's Berlin being the most prominent in my mind. I don't want to make a period map.

We don't want every map to be 'bland' but a few more simple maps are not going to hurt anyone. There is a standard CC wants for maps and I think the direction of this map does and will fit those standards.

I've seen plenty of people asking for geographical maps around the forum and I'm making one.

thanks for your comments mibi.


I dunno ed, sounds like a cop-out for a lack luster performance. This map may fit the minimum specs for development but it isn't striving to be anything more than what it is, an atlas scrap thats been Riskafied. It doesn't have to be a period map to have indigenous flavor to it. I predict this map will be just like Iberia, just sliding through the foundry with no one making any big fuss because no one is really all that interested because all you are bringing to the table here is just some random playable geography and nothing more. This map has no passion and no life, which unfortunately is not required to quench.

And that is all I will say about it.
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Re: Haiti v3 pg2

Postby gimil on Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:09 pm

Im going to [Adv. Idea] this one. Some more dicsussion is needed before we move you out to the main foundry.
What do you know about map making, bitch?

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