austraila vs s.america

[Lazy_Pilgrim]

i have a prety good tactic as far as austraila(SP) goes ut does anyone prefer playing S.america instead>....

[AndyDufresne]

Moved on over.

Sometimes I prefer playing in South America, if it is a Flat Rate game...I like to have some expansion options either to Africa or to North America!


--Andy

[foregone]

On the World 2.1 map I have a preference for SA because it allows you to deploy and take the Maghreb which is a nice bonus. On the classic map I have to agree with Andy in that you can build and run NA or Africa, which is easier to do that taking Asia quickly.

[Thezzaruz]

THere was a thread about this a few weeks ago, called "what continent to start with" or something like that, with lots of good discussing/arguing about what continent to go for. Some math proof too IIRC, look it up it was quite interesting.

[Zaran]

personally i prefer austraila cuz its a lot easier to defend and if u rlly know how to time and stragegize u can cut right across the bottom of asia and make a quick grab for africa but normally if i get into austraila i will be totally happy with just staying as close as i can and let the other players weaken themselves

[detlef]

If you look into flat rate games involving decent players, the numbers overwhelmingly support Aussie being the best starting place. Because of a previous discussion on this, I looked into it and checked for the first continent held by the eventual winner. I forget the exact numbers but it wasn't remotely close at all. Aussie won by a landslide.

FWIW.

Everyone loves to think otherwise. In fact, the games I looked into were those involving a player who said how often players in his games were able to succeed from other spots. So, even a player who was allegedly drawing on his own memory of games failed to see that, in those very games, it was all about Aussie.

[danielar]

yeah. The best way to win (I think) in escalating or flat rate would be to grab aussie. Within only a few rounds, you can have armies en masse on your borders. Hopefully, you will have some other territories across the board which you can exploit.

[lord voldemort]

in esc games....hell no...i guess thats why..shit i cant...ban hammer is flying...

[Scott-Land]

Classic map-- it's Aussie without a doubt. With only 1 front to protect, you need 1/2 the armies as you would defending SA. As a direct result you receive the income on it up to 2 or 3 rounds before as well.

I'm probably one of the most aggressive players ( of the high ranks) when it comes to grabbing a bonus there. But SA-- I rarely push for it (seq) even when dropped two terr's there.

[MeDeFe]

Remember that you can win from any continent. If you start to obsessively go for one continent in every game you're bound to lose a lot, just take the one that's easiest for you to get and plan your game from there.
The problem with Aussie is that once the situation has stabilized you're stuck with your bonus of 2 and have no chance of getting Asia against as many as 3 other players with continents bordering it. All it takes is a NAP between Iceland and Greenland and you'll be really lucky to reach 12 territories because everyone will be going into Asia since it's the only place left to go.
In FOW games taking Asia might work though.

[detlef]

Remember that you can win from any continent. If you start to obsessively go for one continent in every game you're bound to lose a lot, just take the one that's easiest for you to get and plan your game from there.
The problem with Aussie is that once the situation has stabilized you're stuck with your bonus of 2 and have no chance of getting Asia against as many as 3 other players with continents bordering it. All it takes is a NAP between Iceland and Greenland and you'll be really lucky to reach 12 territories because everyone will be going into Asia since it's the only place left to go.
In FOW games taking Asia might work though.

LOL. You're the reason why I bothered to look up which was the first continent the resulting winner of classic games held. Because you implied that holding Europe wasn't as tough or as bad an idea as people made it out to be. So, I actually looked up all the classic, flat rate games that you'd played in. The guy who went for Europe almost never won at all and the guy who started with Aussie won an overwhelming amount of times.

I also recall, that you were rather steadfast back then despite this rather overwhelming evidence and I see now that, given enough time, you can again convince yourself to ignore the facts.

Mind you, I understand that you're not going out on to too thin a branch by merely saying it's "possible". Further, only one guy can take Aussie and if you're not the guy who got dropped at least 2 of 4 plus perhaps a China and Siam or something, then it's not worth beating your head over. However, if that's the case, I think that you'd be much better off just roaming around and staying out of everyone's way rather than undertake some Quixotic mission to take and hold one of the big boys.

Keep in mind, this doesn't mean that the first person to take Aussie wins all the time. In my study, I looked at the eventual winner and checked out the first continent they ever held for at least a few turns. Mind you, often times the winner also happened to be the first person to hold Aussie. However, some of the times it was a player who seemingly employed the tactic I'm suggesting and took Aussie with their first major move of the game. Even if that move was well into it.

[Robinette]

Forget about what 'FEELS' Right... here's a FACT,,,

in EVERY singles game (100% of the time, except assasin) the winner held NORTH AMERICA!

So NORTH AMERICA is where it's at!!!!




Well actually, by the final round they held ALL the continents... but for now lets just ignore that little detail...

[stuart133]

Hmmm tough one. I would have to say s.america because of the extra expansion options. Both africa and north america are better that aisa in ease to take and in ease to defend. Also holding north and south america holds the same bonuses as aisa but is much easier to defend. Though the best possible option is to have both

[detlef]

Forget about what 'FEELS' Right... here's a FACT,,,

in EVERY singles game (100% of the time, except assasin) the winner held NORTH AMERICA!

So NORTH AMERICA is where it's at!!!!




Well actually, by the final round they held ALL the continents... but for now lets just ignore that little detail...

Well, I understand where you're going with this but it's still not true. 1v1 games often end with out the winner holding all the continents because of neutrals.

[Robinette]

Forget about what 'FEELS' Right... here's a FACT,,,

in EVERY singles game (100% of the time, except assasin) the winner held NORTH AMERICA!

So NORTH AMERICA is where it's at!!!!




Well actually, by the final round they held ALL the continents... but for now lets just ignore that little detail...

Well, I understand where you're going with this but it's still not true. 1v1 games often end with out the winner holding all the continents because of neutrals.

*sigh* ... you really took the wind out of this sail...

and i wouldn't know anything about those neutrals .... never played 1v1 ...