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Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Brian_c_m on Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:13 am

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  • Anyone who has played and lost at a fog of war game will tell you that it truely sucks not being able to see what's going on in the game with the remaining players. You can read the logs to get a gist of what's happening but too much is left to the imagination. I think a great addition would be to include the option of 'spectate buttons' which will allow players to give spectators permission to view their game without fog of war.

Specifics:
  • Each player has the option to allow members to spectate their game with the fog of war lifted. Somewhere on the page, there are a number of checkboxs under the title, 'Allowed Spectators'.
  • As a player, you can give permission (if you trust that it will not be used against you) to allow members to view your game.
    |_|player 1
    |_|player 2
    |_|player n
    |_|friends
    |_|foes
    |_|Any non-player
  • For example, If you checked 'player 1' & 'friends'. then those in your friends list will be allowed to view your game and player 1, only when he has been eliminated, can view your game. If at any stage you suspect that someone is feeding info to an opponent, you simply un-check the appropriate box.
  • Obviously, a spectator can only see the whole map if all players have checked the appropriate box.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • It gives the players who have been eliminated, a chance to still feel apart of the game (provided that the remaining players have given him permission to do so)
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby InsomniaRed on Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:59 am

I'm sorry I don't think this could work, still too many ways for people to cheat. It is an idea, I mean I, for one, wish I could watch my friends fog games, but it really is too likely that this option would be abused.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Brian_c_m on Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:35 am

Sadly, I do realize that there are those out there that would abuse this feature. But the use of it is totally up to the descretion of the players themselves.

E.g. If I'm in a social game with 5 other players, (two that i trust and three that I don't), then if a friend of mine is eliminated or I am eliminated, the remaining player has the option to at least allow the other to spectate his/her game. If the other four feel the same way then they can also choose to 'reveal' their game.

Allowing non-players to view the game does seem to make the game too vulnerable to abuse, so maybe restricting the spectate option to players only will be a safer option.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby InkL0sed on Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:39 pm

Since this leaves it up to the players to decide, I think this option would be great. Any abuse would be self-moderated.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby bedub1 on Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:26 pm

Great idea!

It would be awesome to watch my friends FOW games. But you need to PROHIBIT the active players in the game from showing the other active players in the game their screen...otherwise that is just secret alliances/cheating.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Draconian_Intel on Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:44 pm

Its not just the player who allowed the spectators that can be seen though. All the armies that border the player could be seen by the spectators. People already complain about people announcing armies in FoW games, it would only get worse with this.

I think it is an admirable idea, but it is impractical in my opinion.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Timminz on Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:56 pm

Draconian_Intel wrote:I think it is an admirable idea, but it is impractical in my opinion.


My thoughts exactly. It would be open to a whole lot of abuse.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Brian_c_m on Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:32 am

I've never been in a game where someone has announced border counts and ruined it for the other players but it's not too hard to imagine that some idiot out there would do it. Although, since the spectate option is only available to eliminated players, if someone were to announce border counts, they'll only be setting themselves up for negitive ratings. Alternatively, you could disable the chat for the spectator until after the game has finished. If you ask me, I'd rather watch the remaining players finish eachother off then chat to them in a game that I can't see.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby BENJIKAT IS DEAD on Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:34 am

I would never allow anyone to spectate - (however it would be very helpful to be able to see clan games that I'm not playing in)
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby bedub1 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:36 am

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:I would never allow anyone to spectate.

I believe that would be your right. Just because something "can" be abused, doesn't necessarily mean that it "will" be abused. And simply because it might be abused doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. If people abuse it, they should receive horrible feedback, anybody that goes to play a fow game with them will realize they shouldn't as the guy sucks and "abuses" that ability. Don't punish everybody just cause of a couple jackass's.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Brian_c_m on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:33 am

Also remember that players wouldn't give spectate permission to someone who had already been abusive in the game before he/she was eliminated. And if someone starts abusing the privilage, his spectate permission can be removed. Like InkL0sed said, this would be self-moderated
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby MrBenn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:59 am

If it were to work (which I don't think it would), then all remaining players should be able to veto any spectatorship in order to help mitigate against abuse of the feature.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby sensfan on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:23 am

My tournament's game is fog and i can't see a thing i have the game log as my only helper.
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Brian_c_m on Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:47 am

MrBenn makes a good point but I still think this idea has potential... There must be some way to get this going?
ANything creative with regards to the vetoíng idea?
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Re: Spectate option for fog of war games

Postby Frop on Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:14 am

Abuse².
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