[Abandoned] Research & Conquer

[yeti_c]

The same with autodeploy. Autodeploy is per territory, and for that reason cannot be triggered by a tech.

Correct - although again there is a suggestion pending on this that could work. (in fact Mibi needs it for his Trench Warfare map.)

C.

[OliverFA]

The same with autodeploy. Autodeploy is per territory, and for that reason cannot be triggered by a tech.

Correct - although again there is a suggestion pending on this that could work. (in fact Mibi needs it for his Trench Warfare map.)

C.

Thanks for the confirmation Yeti

Anyway, I am determined to make this map with what we have right now. If the map is a success, there is always time to make a version 2 with the new features.

[saraith]

This sounds like a really interesting concept, Oliver. It makes me want to go and get Civilization so I can have a clue as to what you're talking about

I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on this thread, though.

[yeti_c]

This sounds like a really interesting concept, Oliver. It makes me want to go and get Civilization so I can have a clue as to what you're talking about

I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on this thread, though.

Regardless - Civ 4 is one of the best games ever made (closly followed by Civ 3 and Civ 1 (I never played Civ 2 - But I heard that was pretty good too!)

C.

[OliverFA]

This sounds like a really interesting concept, Oliver. It makes me want to go and get Civilization so I can have a clue as to what you're talking about

I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on this thread, though.

Regardless - Civ 4 is one of the best games ever made (closly followed by Civ 3 and Civ 1 (I never played Civ 2 - But I heard that was pretty good too!)

C.

And don't forget Civilization Revolution! I take my DS always with me when I go out of home only to play CivRev!

Thanks for the comment, Saraith. Definitely you should try Civ. You would enjoy it.

[mibi]

This sounds like a really interesting concept, Oliver. It makes me want to go and get Civilization so I can have a clue as to what you're talking about

I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on this thread, though.

Regardless - Civ 4 is one of the best games ever made (closly followed by Civ 3 and Civ 1 (I never played Civ 2 - But I heard that was pretty good too!)

C.

You know I played Civ 3 to death. I had it modded all to hell and spent hours making my own LOTR units. I even wrote a short story based on the game, historical fiction. But i never really played Civ4. I got a free Civ4 disk somehow and installed it, but only played through the tutorial a few rounds. I didn't have the manual and I was a bit scared that it would consume me.

Perhaps I should pick it back up if it is good as you say it is.

[t-o-m]

In fact, i joined this site because i played that game and liked the strategy in it, although i joined this because i thought it was like civ, its a different thing altogether

[OliverFA]

Main post updated

[t-o-m]

One tech could be researching Esponage (sp?), like in the game where you can research it, [because trigger boarders arent allowed] this could be a boarder and THE ONLY boarder to a spy or several spies, and this could be able to bombard a city or other techs?

Unfortunately (and unless I am wrong of course ) borders (neither normal borders nor bombard borders) cannot be triggered by any action. So the borders that we put in the map have to stay all the game.

What i was saying was:

How about, BECAUSE trigger boarders aren't allowed, how about we have the ACTUAL tech be able to bombard places, like it is a spy?

[OliverFA]

One tech could be researching Esponage (sp?), like in the game where you can research it, [because trigger boarders arent allowed] this could be a boarder and THE ONLY boarder to a spy or several spies, and this could be able to bombard a city or other techs?

Unfortunately (and unless I am wrong of course ) borders (neither normal borders nor bombard borders) cannot be triggered by any action. So the borders that we put in the map have to stay all the game.

What i was saying was:

How about, BECAUSE trigger boarders aren't allowed, how about we have the ACTUAL tech be able to bombard places, like it is a spy?

Yes. That is the way we are going to make it. And it opens two different possibilities:

- Saboteurs: The sabotage/spy tech itself borders with all the other player techs, but only for bombard purposes. So once a player has discovered sabotage, he can disrupt other player techs by bombarding them.

- Bombs: The technology borders with geographical territories, allowing the player to build up his missile force (deploy to bomb technology) and then bombard any part of the geographical map from it.

[max is gr8]

New Tech Ideas (Ordered Basic Then Advanced of these Items)

Political Unrest - Once researched gives a negative bonus to all other players (Maybe negates basic reinforcements)
Counter Political Unrest - Negates the effect of Political Unrest

Basic Counter Intelligence - Bombards Spies (Spies Can Bombard These)
Advanced Counter Intelligence - Bombards Spies (Spies Cannot Bombard These)

Basic Tech Theft - Can attack basic techs
Adv Tech Theft - Can attack adv techs (Not Win Condition)

Also, OliverFA please can you sort this out soon (just the bare bones not the map) I want to use it for a tournament...

[ZeakCytho]

New Tech Ideas (Ordered Basic Then Advanced of these Items)

Political Unrest - Once researched gives a negative bonus to all other players (Maybe negates basic reinforcements)
Counter Political Unrest - Negates the effect of Political Unrest

Not possible to do currently.

Basic Counter Intelligence - Bombards Spies (Spies Can Bombard These)
Advanced Counter Intelligence - Bombards Spies (Spies Cannot Bombard These)

Not sure I like it, but it's a viable option.

Basic Tech Theft - Can attack basic techs
Adv Tech Theft - Can attack adv techs (Not Win Condition)

Not a good idea. Player A could attack all of player B's techs and leave him stranded on the geographical map, unable to research any techs. Then player A could take B's reinforcement techs and recieve a larger bonus than player C, for example. I suppose this could be part of a grand strategy, but I'm against it. Players should only be able to bombard each other's techs, not outright steal them.

[t-o-m]

A cool feature could be a culture meter, lol.

The higher you get the meter the higher people will be converted - (or it could just give an auto-deploy bonus around on your territs, but not currently possible in xml)

[OliverFA]

New Tech Ideas (Ordered Basic Then Advanced of these Items)

Political Unrest - Once researched gives a negative bonus to all other players (Maybe negates basic reinforcements)
Counter Political Unrest - Negates the effect of Political Unrest

Basic Counter Intelligence - Bombards Spies (Spies Can Bombard These)
Advanced Counter Intelligence - Bombards Spies (Spies Cannot Bombard These)

Basic Tech Theft - Can attack basic techs
Adv Tech Theft - Can attack adv techs (Not Win Condition)

Also, OliverFA please can you sort this out soon (just the bare bones not the map) I want to use it for a tournament...

Thanks for the new techs suggestions Max

I like the one about counter intelligence a lot! Not that I dislike the others, but the one about Counter Intelligence seems to fit very well in our design.

What do you think about the possibility of, instead of having four techs (Basic and Adv Sabotage, plus Basic and advanced counter intelligence) compacting all of them in two? Basic spy would be saboutage, and advanced spy would be counter intelligence.

The one about political unrest is very difficult to implement with the current engine. Not impossible, but very difficult... Nice idea anyway.

Tech stealing, I don't think is so nice idea. The problem is that the way technologies will be implemented, stealing a tech would add the effects from the enemy tech to your own. And that is not how it is supposed to be.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I really like the one about counter intelligence, to use it as "Andvanced Spies"

About having it sorted... Don't know exactly what you mean with the bare bones. As you see, I am working in this (I updated the main post today) and the map is also being made by my co-author, who wishes to remain anonimous for the moment

For the version 1, I will work with only the 8 initial techs. If I finish the XML soon enough, I could add some of the other techs. If not, there can always be a version 2 of this map with the added techs.

[OliverFA]

New Tech Ideas (Ordered Basic Then Advanced of these Items)

Political Unrest - Once researched gives a negative bonus to all other players (Maybe negates basic reinforcements)
Counter Political Unrest - Negates the effect of Political Unrest

Not possible to do currently.

This just gave me a possible idea.

We could implement that political unrest if player loses the capital. But maybe, if the player loses the capital he is losing the game anyway, and there is no need to add an extra malus to the poor player. I will add it as a possibility, and ask you about it once we have the map.

[OliverFA]

A cool feature could be a culture meter, lol.

The higher you get the meter the higher people will be converted - (or it could just give an auto-deploy bonus around on your territs, but not currently possible in xml)

yes, it would be a cool feature But it's difficult to implement right now

[OliverFA]

We have an image draft!



The map co-author did it. I trully believe it is great. But of course there is a small chance that I could be biassed so I would like to know your opinion about it.

[ZeakCytho]

It's a very nice start, but many of the territories are too small to fit both a name (or number) and the armies.

[Androidz]

We have an image draft!



The map co-author did it. I trully believe it is great. But of course there is a small chance that I could be biassed so I would like to know your opinion about it.

I love it but now it just straith with resarch nothing to choose between:(

[MrBenn]

A very good draft, although as we've already discussed there will be some issues with the playable map names etc.

Anyway, onwards and upwards... [moved to Drafting Room]

[t-o-m]

A very good draft, although as we've already discussed there will be some issues with the playable map names etc.

Anyway, onwards and upwards... [moved to Drafting Room]

Map ideas is above drafting room...so its moving down!
hehe

It's a very nice start, but many of the territories are too small to fit both a name (or number) and the armies.

Maybe if oliver numbered the territs instead of naming them, maybe that could help?

[OliverFA]

It's a very nice start, but many of the territories are too small to fit both a name (or number) and the armies.

Yes, you are right. The map looks quite crowded with so many territories. That is one of the reasons why it is being made public, to receive the help from everybody in the foundry and see what can we do with it.

There is one thing that we know for sure, and it is that we need to have many territories, because otherwise the game will be over before the research is finished, and there will be no point researching. But of course that clashes with the issue of placing armies numbers and territories names.

Acording to the documentation, the map can still be made bigger. But the problem would be that it would be needed to use the scroll bar in lower resolutions. Would that kind of map justify an scroll bar? I don't know.

And thanks for the comments

[OliverFA]

I love it but now it just straith with resarch nothing to choose between:(

We are having 8 techs for sure:

- Research boost
- Winning tech (possibly renamed as "the bomb")
- Basic and Advanced Continents
- Basic and Advanced minimum reinforcements
- Basic and Advanced territories.

The tech tree is that one:

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Lab ----> Research Boost --------> Winning Tech
      |
      +-> Basic Reinforcements --> Advanced Reinforcements
      |
      +-> Basic Continents ------> Advanced Continents
      |
      +-> Basic Territories -----> Advanced Territories

If we add more techs (possibly spy techs and bombard techs) they will follow the same pattern. The basic tech will be able to be researched right from the lab, and the advanced tech will require the basic tech.

Thanks for noticing about the techs, Androidz

[OliverFA]

A very good draft, although as we've already discussed there will be some issues with the playable map names etc.

Anyway, onwards and upwards... [moved to Drafting Room]

Thanks! But the credit is for the map maker

About the names, as I told ZeakCytho, I think we all agree that we need many territories so research can have some sense. And we also agree that this creates an issue with naming the territories. Possibly solutions might be:
- Name the territories with numbers and place a smaller map with the region names, like the Feudal map.
- Name also the territories with numbers, but place the names in the region themselves, like the New World map
- Make the map bigger even if that means we will have to use scroll bars (this option could be complementary to any of the other two)

[OliverFA]

A very good draft, although as we've already discussed there will be some issues with the playable map names etc.

Anyway, onwards and upwards... [moved to Drafting Room]

Map ideas is above drafting room...so its moving down!
hehe

So our goal is to arrive to the bottom. Cool!

It's a very nice start, but many of the territories are too small to fit both a name (or number) and the armies.

Maybe if oliver numbered the territs instead of naming them, maybe that could help?

Yes, I think that could help, and looks like the only viable option. There is the issue about how/where to place the region names.

Thanks for your comments