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by **yeti_c** on Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:07 am

RjBeals wrote:and putting the title in any colour that is not in the flag.

You could be in trouble!!

C.

by **RjBeals** on Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:25 am

yeti_c wrote:
RjBeals wrote:and putting the title in any colour that is not in the flag.

You could be in trouble!!

C.

I think we worked though that.

by **pepperonibread** on Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:56 pm

The minimap's text and the minimap itself feel a bit flat when compared to the rest of the map... they seem to clash w/ the slight bevel effect on the entire map (which I like, it works well with the spherical projection, which I also support). Maybe play around with it a bit more if you can.
Keep on truckin' RJ...

by **jiminski** on Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:13 pm

this is an awful waste of one of the most stunning maps i've ever seen.

by **Optimus Prime** on Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:14 pm

jiminski wrote:this is an awful waste of one of the most stunning maps i've ever seen.

Yes, jim, yes it is.

by **oaktown** on Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:02 pm

It would seem that this revamp project, which began over two months ago with so much promise, has died a tragic and untimely death. My thoughts...

As somebody who spent many hours making my own revamp entry - twice - I am personally saddened by what seems to be the end of this effort, and I suspect I'm not alone. A lot of folks other than RjBeals have spent a good deal of time on this project, including gimil, the dozen or so folks who made an entry, and the hundreds of CC users who discussed and voted during the competition. We've all been let down.

As a CA, I've learned a lesson from the failure of this process. If we're going to launch a revamp in the future we need to do so with the full support of the mapmaker. Giving marvaddin "the right to veto anything on the artistic side" was a mistake, as was allowing a process to proceed in which one individual had the power to veto anything and everything. This process never had marvaddin's support, only a reticent nod of approval.

As a member of the Foundry community I've said on many occasions that we mapmakers are a pretty ego-centric lot. You see it in the way that we deal with foundry newbs, and here we're seeing it in the way that we deal with each other. Marvaddin has legitimate concern about the presentation of his country, and Rj has a legitimate argument for why his way looks better. Somewhere in between there lies an answer that will make this revamp a reality.

The direction that this project has taken leaves a bad taste in my mouth... kinda tastes like Caipirinha. And that ain't good. :cry:

by **pamoa** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:41 am

You're right veto was too much power for an unreasonable mapmaker ego, even stamp licker do not have such direct power.
Maybe you can give the original mapmaker the right to call for a poll about, let's say maximum 10 issues of is choice.

by **jiminski** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:54 am

oaktown wrote:It would seem that this revamp project, which began over two months ago with so much promise, has died a tragic and untimely death. My thoughts...

As somebody who spent many hours making my own revamp entry - twice - I am personally saddened by what seems to be the end of this effort, and I suspect I'm not alone. A lot of folks other than RjBeals have spent a good deal of time on this project, including gimil, the dozen or so folks who made an entry, and the hundreds of CC users who discussed and voted during the competition. We've all been let down.

As a CA, I've learned a lesson from the failure of this process. If we're going to launch a revamp in the future we need to do so with the full support of the mapmaker. Giving marvaddin "the right to veto anything on the artistic side" was a mistake, as was allowing a process to proceed in which one individual had the power to veto anything and everything. This process never had marvaddin's support, only a reticent nod of approval.

As a member of the Foundry community I've said on many occasions that we mapmakers are a pretty ego-centric lot. You see it in the way that we deal with foundry newbs, and here we're seeing it in the way that we deal with each other. Marvaddin has legitimate concern about the presentation of his country, and Rj has a legitimate argument for why his way looks better. Somewhere in between there lies an answer that will make this revamp a reality.

The direction that this project has taken leaves a bad taste in my mouth... kinda tastes like Caipirinha. And that ain't good.

it is a tragedy if this work does not see the light of day.

For RJ to made to dance through hoops; to compromise himself and his vision to the point of breaking, is indeed a lesson which must be heeded.

by **yeti_c** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:09 am

I suspect beyond the point Jim...

C.

by **nagerous** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:18 am

Give Rj some time, I'm hoping he'll come round.

by **Incandenza** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:29 pm

I'm of the opinion that even should RJ end his exile from the foundry, he should shutter this project and move on. Marvaddin has turned this whole process into a farce, and oaktown's 100% right about the abuse of power going on here. If marv's totally okay with having his country represented by the bar-none ugliest map on this site, if he's so up his own ass about his artistic genius that he can't see that RJ is producing a map that makes the original look like cave paintings, then let the revamp as a whole die.

by **jako** on Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:44 pm

very sad to see how this turned out. even after being away for a month and a half.

by **Mjinga** on Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:52 am

I realise that this may seem like an unfeeling moment to say this, with respect to RJ, but...

I am willing to revamp the map using the one I made for the contest. It would be better than the current one we have (although not this one, I'll be the first to admit). It was also the one that Marvaddin said he liked best and was "Simple, but beautiful. Loved it." Ergo, he likely would be willing to work with me on it.

It looked like this.