Central America - gameplay discussion thread

[oaktown]

This is the map that we are currently using for the amateur mapmakers competition. In the interest of simplicity we had suspended the gameplay talk, as we don't want to change the conditions of the competition mid-stream. The map will remain as-is for the competition, so any gameplay changes we come up with will have to be made by the winning mapmaker after the competition has concluded.

Now that the competition is underway and the maps submitted, it seems like we can at least discuss gameplay concerns... any thoughts?

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The basics:
32 territories
7 bonus zones (the Central American countries)
Classic gameplay, no tricks
Ports connect, as noted

[edbeard]

seems like we have a lot of smaller maps being made lately

I wish you'd do this one with the 'standard' 42 territories. whether that means attaching 'ships' and making this a somewhat historical type map ala my C.I. map or something I'm not sure.

[bbqpenguin]

one thing, it'll be extremely difficult to get from the north to the south point of the map, considering the amount of territories in between and the amount of chokepoints. you may want to consider someway to make passage from panama to beliz easier

for an example, look at the helipads on the Malta map

[oaktown]

one thing, it'll be extremely difficult to get from the north to the south point of the map, considering the amount of territories in between and the amount of chokepoints. you may want to consider someway to make passage from panama to beliz easier

Ports, perhaps?

Belize City, Puerto Cortez in Honduras (the territory bordering Guatemala), Limon in Costa Rica (borders Panama) and Colon, Panama? It'll create a north-south route with two southern access points and two northern access points. It would also give Panama a much needed third border to protect, while the other three territories are already borders.

seems like we have a lot of smaller maps being made lately

Agreed, and I'm usually the first to criticize them, but work with me - I have big plans for this map.

[bbqpenguin]

one thing, it'll be extremely difficult to get from the north to the south point of the map, considering the amount of territories in between and the amount of chokepoints. you may want to consider someway to make passage from panama to beliz easier

Ports, perhaps?

Belize City, Puerto Cortez in Honduras (the territory bordering Guatemala), Limon in Costa Rica (borders Panama) and Colon, Panama? It'll create a north-south route with two southern access points and two northern access points. It would also give Panama a much needed third border to protect, while the other three territories are already borders.

ports sound great, though i'll have to check an see where you put them. i'm a little rusty in my central american geography but as long as there's one pair on the east and west coast it should work out ok

[oaktown]

ports sound great, though i'll have to check an see where you put them. i'm a little rusty in my central american geography but as long as there's one pair on the east and west coast it should work out ok

The ports I'd listed were all Caribbean ports, but two on each side would certainly simplify the attack routes. Quick search of the Pacific nations' busiest ports turn up Puerto Quetzal, Guatemala; Corinto, Nicaragua; Caldera/Puntarenas, Costa Rica; and, well, Panama City. Seems the Pacific ports don't see the level of activity of those on the east coast, i suspect because they grew up earlier to support trade with the homelands of the European settlers/conquerors.

Actually, the panama city/colon port could be both a Pacific and Atlantic port, with connections on both sides, thus representing control of the Canal. Hmm? It means we can lose the silly attack route connecting the two Panama territories.

Edit: Something like this...

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[ZeakCytho]

What's the group making this?

Gameplay wise, I won't make a whole big post until I see what ports you've put in, but this map looks like it could have good gameplay.

[oaktown]

What's the group making this?

We are, Zeak... you, me, and whoever else comes along. Right now I'm looking for community input on the gameplay, and later my community plans for the graphics will be revealed.

[bbqpenguin]

What's the group making this?

We are, Zeak... you, me, and whoever else comes along. Right now I'm looking for community input on the gameplay, and later my community plans for the graphics will be revealed.

why is beliz +2 and salvador +1? seems like salvador would be the harder one to hold...

edit: just noticed belize has 3 (or 4) terries

[edbeard]

Is Belize 3 or 4 territories?

Is the colouring of the island just off the Honduras continent on purpose for significance or just a mistake?

Inital bonus thoughts...

Guatemala: +3 is right.

Belize - +1. why? well 3 terr (I think) and 2 borders. yea. it's probably a +2 but expansion is really easy. holding Belize and Guatemala will be a cinch. An 8 territory continent with 2 borders as a +5? +4 seems a bit better

El Salvador: +1 so easy from the drop and it only has 3 places to attack it. Honduras owner can swallow this up easily too.

Honduras: +4. 4 borders, 6 terr and El Salvador is an easy add.

Nicaragua: 5 Obviously the toughest but not tougher than Honduras-El Salvador combo.

Costa Rica, Panama: this is where things get dicey. The combo is 9 territories with 3 borders and a +6 as you currently have it. I'd say these are easier to hold than any of the other combos which add up to +5 or just Nicaragua which itself is a +5. But, Costa Rica as a standalone might be a +4. 4 terr, 4 borders, 4 attack it. Panama is a +3 though.

I'm not really sure what to do there. The +6 for the combo seems too high but the standalone bonuses might be apt. Costa Rica would be too powerful if made a +4 and you can't add more borders to Panama to make the combo harder to hold. 3 borders is quite low though. Is it a benefit or a detriment to have both the Ports on one territory? I guess it'd depend on the specific game.


In short, your bonuses seem fine. I think I only differ with your current ones on Belize. I'm really not sure about the south though. More time to think and/or more opinions needed. I guess one solution would be just to give Belize and El Salvador +2 and increase the Nicaragua bonus by 1 up to 6. This might even out the map a bit. I'm not sure I like that solution though.

[MrBenn]

I'm not too keen on the ports - I'd rather see an attack route over the ocean. The labeling of ports is one of the things that bugs me about New World, as I can't forgive myself for not realising that The Pacific/Atlantic ports didn't connect...

I like the Panama Canal idea - it works well.

Is the cyan island off Honduras a region/zone/whatever?

[samuelc812]

I thought Mexico was part of Central America??

[oaktown]

I thought Mexico was part of Central America??

Well, it is and it isn't depending on whom you ask... wikipedia to the rescue!

Central America is considered a region of the North American continent. Geopolitically, it usually comprises seven countries – Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. Mexico, in whole or in part, is occasionally included.

I'll post an update shortly that sorts out what is/is not a territory.

[oaktown]

As promised...

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Remember, NO GRAPHICS COMMENTS. I'm just doing the gameplay.

Belize: +1 or +2? I can go either way on that one. It may be as easy a hold as El Salvador, since El Salv has more neighbors. Discuss.

I stuck seas routes in there for Benn, but the final style of those attack routes can be sorted out by the map's designer.

What I would absolutely love is if somebody with more knowledge of the area (I've never been south of "G4") could suggest names for the territories.

[edbeard]

so basically you're just doing the same thing as I'm doing with L&W? I had thought of holding a 'contest' after getting the gameplay stamp but it seems unlikely that there'd be any near enough interest for that. Maybe you'll have enough for this map.