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What do you think about Adjacent Attacks?

I would support this being an option
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I would oppose this being an option
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I don't care/I don't know yet
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:35 am

Yeah... it's no longer about when you cash, but it's completely about your position... being in a place with a lot of room to expand, yet dependable, is essential. This was really fun!
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Gunner1980 on Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:01 pm

What I'd like to see is a speed game with that setting... :D
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby n00blet on Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:28 pm

Still two spots left in Game 3613149
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby switchblade on Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:21 pm

Adjacent Attacks would be awesome, but then what about Unlimited Attacks? Plus, in the end, it would take away from the Risk Experience.

I would suggest maybe MAP with Adjacent Attacks instead.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:39 pm

switchblade wrote:Adjacent Attacks would be awesome, but then what about Unlimited Attacks? Plus, in the end, it would take away from the Risk Experience.

I would suggest maybe MAP with Adjacent Attacks instead.

We're suggesting this as an option you can choose to use or not, like whether to use unlimited or adjacent reinforcements. So you could make Adjacent Attacks games, or you could make normal attack games.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby n00blet on Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:35 pm

At the time this was originally suggested, from May to June 2008, there was a lot less support for the idea due to an unclear statement of the idea, joking poll terms, and various misconceptions with respect to it. So, at Ditocoaf's suggestion, I have reset the poll with 3 very clear choices. If you have already voted, please vote again so I can more easily tally interest/disinterest.

Immediately before being reset the poll read as follows:


What do you think about Adjacent Attacks?

You may select 1 option

Great Idea! Give it to me now!
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I think this would be kind of fun....I might try it.
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It doesn't matter to me either way.
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I don't like the idea------------------------------------------------------ 39 votes----------41%

Other (Please specify.....)
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Evan Thomas on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:14 pm

wow i remember this sug's first days... only 20 or so replies :lol:
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby noretreat on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:55 pm

something better than that , being able to swap cards woops spoils with your team8s eh
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby sully800 on Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:14 am

I'm sure there are new xml treats that I don't know about, but I'm pretty sure it would not be possible to create and adjacent attacks map. When you conquer a territory you inherit that territory's attack routes, so you can continue attacking across the board. I suppose this COULD be installed as an XML feature instead of a game option, but I think it makes much more sense as a game option. It would be fun on all maps, and the gameplay is very different from normal. It's at least as different as FOW, even though that may seem impossible at first.

A speed adjacent attacks game would be great....but I don't know if a test game would work well. There have already been 3 incidents of people accidentally breaking the rules, twice to break someone's continent. In a speed game, such "mistakes" would be even more unfair and more likely to happen. So I think I will sit out any speed AA unless it is actually a game option so people cannot break the rules.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby yeti_c on Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:53 am

sully800 wrote:I'm sure there are new xml treats that I don't know about, but I'm pretty sure it would not be possible to create and adjacent attacks map. When you conquer a territory you inherit that territory's attack routes, so you can continue attacking across the board. I suppose this COULD be installed as an XML feature instead of a game option, but I think it makes much more sense as a game option. It would be fun on all maps, and the gameplay is very different from normal. It's at least as different as FOW, even though that may seem impossible at first.


Correct - can't be done in current XML.


sully800 wrote:A speed adjacent attacks game would be great....but I don't know if a test game would work well. There have already been 3 incidents of people accidentally breaking the rules, twice to break someone's continent. In a speed game, such "mistakes" would be even more unfair and more likely to happen. So I think I will sit out any speed AA unless it is actually a game option so people cannot break the rules.


Yeah - I guess it's tricky to remember which game is which - if we had the ability to put Custom tags on each game - then that would be cool - and would display where the tourney tag does.

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Thezzaruz on Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:43 am

sully800 wrote:I would like to see a high ranking adjacent attack game just to make sure it doesn't turn into a protective stale mate.

Don't they already do that more often than not???
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Geger on Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:25 pm

I like the idea. With fog it will be a perfect combination : you can capture a region only, if you see it at the beginning of your turn !! :mrgreen:
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:57 pm

Geger wrote:I like the idea. With fog it will be a perfect combination : you can capture a region only, if you see it at the beginning of your turn !! :mrgreen:


That is an alternative definition, and fits the suggestion!
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby sully800 on Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:23 pm

Thezzaruz wrote:
sully800 wrote:I would like to see a high ranking adjacent attack game just to make sure it doesn't turn into a protective stale mate.

Don't they already do that more often than not???


High ranking games currently involve a lot of protection. Such protection is not needed in AA and would cause a stale mate. I would like to see a few high ranking AA games to make sure the tactics don't play out like normal to create an unbreakable build situation.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby yeti_c on Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:45 am

OliverFA wrote:
Geger wrote:I like the idea. With fog it will be a perfect combination : you can capture a region only, if you see it at the beginning of your turn !! :mrgreen:


That is an alternative definition, and fits the suggestion!


I hadn't thought about Fog - sadly it's a lot harder to "test" with - because it would be possible to cheat a lot easier!!

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:23 pm

OliverFA wrote:
Geger wrote:I like the idea. With fog it will be a perfect combination : you can capture a region only, if you see it at the beginning of your turn !! :mrgreen:


That is an alternative definition, and fits the suggestion!

Not exactly...If I own Norway and Lower Canada on World 2.1 I can see both Greenland and Iceland. Does that mean that I can attack Greenland and then Iceland from Lower Canada, not under the current rules, but under the new suggestion it would be allowed.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:42 pm

lancehoch wrote:
OliverFA wrote:
Geger wrote:I like the idea. With fog it will be a perfect combination : you can capture a region only, if you see it at the beginning of your turn !! :mrgreen:


That is an alternative definition, and fits the suggestion!

Not exactly...If I own Norway and Lower Canada on World 2.1 I can see both Greenland and Iceland. Does that mean that I can attack Greenland and then Iceland from Lower Canada, not under the current rules, but under the new suggestion it would be allowed.

True... but his description is close, and makes sense. In fact, if you were playing Fog of War, the only territs you could attack would be those that you can see at the beginning of your turn. He doesn't say that you can always attack them, just that they're the only ones you can attack.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:58 pm

lancehoch wrote:
OliverFA wrote:
Geger wrote:I like the idea. With fog it will be a perfect combination : you can capture a region only, if you see it at the beginning of your turn !! :mrgreen:


That is an alternative definition, and fits the suggestion!

Not exactly...If I own Norway and Lower Canada on World 2.1 I can see both Greenland and Iceland. Does that mean that I can attack Greenland and then Iceland from Lower Canada, not under the current rules, but under the new suggestion it would be allowed.


You are right Lancehoch. The FoW description misses an important part of the proposal. The one that says that a player cannot attack from newly conquered territories. Then better to come back to the original description.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Geger on Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:47 pm

Agree!! Back to original description.

I just wanted to say, that a game with adjacent attack + fog can be an interesting game. You are right that we can't test it. Also we must wait 'til this suggestion will be implemented :)
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:56 pm

Geger wrote:Agree!! Back to original description.

I just wanted to say, that a game with adjacent attack + fog can be an interesting game. You are right that we can't test it. Also we must wait 'til this suggestion will be implemented :)

Why can it not be tested? Just ask someone to set it up. I am sure that Oliver and a few of the others would be more than willing to test out a few more options.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby yeti_c on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:38 pm

lancehoch wrote:
Geger wrote:Agree!! Back to original description.

I just wanted to say, that a game with adjacent attack + fog can be an interesting game. You are right that we can't test it. Also we must wait 'til this suggestion will be implemented :)

Why can it not be tested? Just ask someone to set it up. I am sure that Oliver and a few of the others would be more than willing to test out a few more options.


Mainly cos it's a lot harder to ensure the game is following the rules...

However - I would be up for testing that anyways.

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:44 pm

yeti_c wrote:Mainly cos it's a lot harder to ensure the game is following the rules...

However - I would be up for testing that anyways.

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Good point, I hadn't thought about that. Although, the two games I played (at least until I was eliminated) I did not see anyone make any mistakes. Also, hopefully people would not be intentionally taking advantage of the situation since it is an attempt to try out a new setting.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:18 pm

lancehoch wrote:
yeti_c wrote:Mainly cos it's a lot harder to ensure the game is following the rules...

However - I would be up for testing that anyways.

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Good point, I hadn't thought about that. Although, the two games I played (at least until I was eliminated) I did not see anyone make any mistakes. Also, hopefully people would not be intentionally taking advantage of the situation since it is an attempt to try out a new setting.

Yeah, you'd have to be quite the douchebag to see this test as just an opportunity to earn some easy(er) points.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby yeti_c on Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:30 pm

Agreed!!

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby denominator on Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:18 pm

I really like this concept. I got the privilege of playing in one of the test games for these, and so far I've really enjoyed it.

What I like is that you really need to watch everyone else's moves closely and plan out your deployments and advancements very carefully. It's really easy to get your armies spread out and be unable to defend yourself.

I would be interested to see this on a map with no "free" bonuses. The classic map has the Oceania bonus, which, if you get it in an AA game, is a great stronghold, and you can build out into Asia really easily (yes, I know that's not actually the "continent" names anymore, but I haven't bothered to learn the new ones and everybody knows what I'm talking about). Something like Germany, where there are no small bonuses to grab early and dominate from.

Plus, I think this would work better with the No Cards option. That burst of troops at the right time from cards is way more of a momentum swing in this than in regular games.
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