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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP Update w/ Small Map Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby edbeard on Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:48 pm

quoted for the new page


pepperonibread wrote:New update - yall miss me? :D

Large:

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Small:

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Large w/ Army #'s:

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Small w/ Army #'s:

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Changes:
-Made the arms on the minimap a bit more prominent - and on the cont. Baden-Wurttemberg as well.
-Increased the color difference between Baden-Wurttemberg and Bayern.
-Made some text on the minimap a bit easier to read.
-Pushed the mountain range next to Trier closer to the map's edge.
-Played around with the sea color, it ended up being about the same when I finished though. I'll keep working with it.

To-do:
-Small map problems?
-Comments?

I don't see any problems. let's get this thing done before the year is up!
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:14 pm

On the small I have a problem reading some terr names. To be honest I think the small is needlessly small and cramped couldn't you bump up the size a good bit?

This is the only issue I have to stamping this REVAMP.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:37 am

gimil wrote:On the small I have a problem reading some terr names. To be honest I think the small is needlessly small and cramped couldn't you bump up the size a good bit?

This is the only issue I have to stamping this REVAMP.


Any suggestions on size? It could just be the army numbers - obviously you won't have all double digits in many games. Anyway, the current size is like 514 px wide by 450 px. I could put up a few different examples if you want.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:18 am

pepperonibread wrote:
gimil wrote:On the small I have a problem reading some terr names. To be honest I think the small is needlessly small and cramped couldn't you bump up the size a good bit?

This is the only issue I have to stamping this REVAMP.


Any suggestions on size? It could just be the army numbers - obviously you won't have all double digits in many games. Anyway, the current size is like 514 px wide by 450 px. I could put up a few different examples if you want.


The guidelines state that your large needs to at least be 9% larger than your small. so you can make it up to 623x546 without having to increase the size of your large.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:19 pm

Here are a few different sizes:

620x543 (max size allowed):
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 20x543.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 0x543s.jpg

580x508:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 80x508.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 0x508s.jpg

550x482:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 50x482.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... 0x482s.jpg

And, the current small (514x450):

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... mp008S.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108 ... p008SN.jpg

550x482 seems ok too me, though it's hard to tell if the terit names are unclear when you already know them all. And I don't like the max size very much, I prefer maps when they have a more significant difference in the sizes (I use the small mostly).
Thoughts gim? or anyone else?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby gimil on Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:06 pm

620x543 gets my vote, but I could also happily live with 580x508. Once we get this issue sorted I see no problem in stamping this one.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - POW! NEW UPDATE! Pg. 15 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:36 pm

New update, but not much is new:

Large:

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Small:

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Large w/ Army #'s:

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Small w/ Army #'s:

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Changes:
-Small map is now 580x508 pixels.

To-do:
-Small map problems?
-Comments?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby yeti_c on Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:58 am

Forge.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby Tazer on Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:49 pm

Has a nice clean look. I like it. Forge.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:25 pm

Well Done Pepp....

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On a personal note, I think the Preussen region dark grey is just s touch too dark for the black text on it...i really have to squint to read the territory text names.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:51 pm

Sorry if this is blatant stupidity, but did I miss something with cairns stamping the GFX?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:05 pm

He's a stamp licker :P
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:10 pm

Ah … didn't hear but sorry bout that :oops: :lol:
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby gimil on Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:11 pm

prp, need to use [bigimg] tags!
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I, Gp]

Postby pepperonibread on Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:16 pm

cairnswk wrote:Well Done Pepp....

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On a personal note, I think the Preussen region dark grey is just s touch too dark for the black text on it...i really have to squint to read the territory text names.


Thanks cairns :D
I'll lighten up Preussen a bit... and maybe Norddeutschland as well if the two conts then become too similar in color.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby edbeard on Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:26 pm

let's get this one forged
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby MrBenn on Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:20 am

It's about time we actually had a revamp get finished!
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby oaktown on Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:46 am

edbeard wrote:let's get this one forged

Agreed.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby lanyards on Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:17 am

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Arachnophobia on Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:32 am

I think this already went through the whole small issues phase :P
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby laci_mae on Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:33 pm

Quench it. It's been ready!

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:17 pm

Since you asked... I think this new map is terrible... I will not be playing this one at all. Ruined another map... Changing the game play of a map is never a good idea if you ask me. Well rarely, but not in this case.

YUK!

1. Terrible color choices, even if that is the colors of Germany.. 2nd map in the first post are much better color choices.
2. The movement of spots of top is bad as well. That 1 way spot (1 way in and out) will totally change how this map is played... Bad bad idea.
3. Mountains to rivers down south? What happen did those mountains just vanish? Poof be gone?
4. What happens to current games on this map since all the places are moved and changed? Will there be 2 map choices?


I will end with this... All these maps getting revamped is bad for this site. You say in the long run it will be better, etc etc. I do not agree. Look at what the classic ordeal did. I know many many people who left to never come back. Those people then spread the word about CC in a negative light.

Get your own ideas people and stop trying to "fix" other maps that do not need it. Fixing Graphics is one thing. OK I am all for some new graphics at times, but when you start changing game play, names etc it becomes a bad bad idea.

Only good revamp I can remember was the France Revamp.

British Isles - Nope
Classic - Nope - Both times
France - Good and needed
Brazil - Not looking good..
Germany - Bad Bad Bad



Maps are supposed to be original ideas, not taking someone elses idea and trying to make it better. Once in a rare while it is needed but many many times not needed.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Incandenza on Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:43 pm

Sorry, Bruce, but you're simply not paying attention. When a map is revamped, it is purely a graphical revamp. Gameplay isn't changed one iota. And as far as changing names, does it really make that much of a difference? If there's a more geographically appropriate name that could be used, shouldn't some attempt be made to use it?

Bruceswar wrote:Only good revamp I can remember was the France Revamp.

British Isles - Nope
Classic - Nope - Both times
France - Good and needed
Brazil - Not looking good..
Germany - Bad Bad Bad


And you're not only cherry-picking revamp examples, you're wrong on a couple of them. Classic was not a revamp, in the official sense that the word is used. And France has never been revamped, it's a standalone map so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Plus to say that RJ's Brazil revamp is not head-and-shoulders above the current map... well, I suppose everyone can have an opinion, but that one doesn't make any sense to me.

And you're omitting the Indochina, Circus Maximus, and Middle East revamps, all of which substantially improved the graphics of those maps.

One final point: I respect your opinion, and I'm glad that you've come in here to speak your mind, but for you to say:

Bruceswar wrote:Maps are supposed to be original ideas, not taking someone elses idea and trying to make it better.


is disparaging and pretty damn disingenuous. An insane amount of work goes into these revamps, and people are putting in the hours (unpaid) for the betterment of the site. Many of CC's older maps are simply not as good-looking as the newer ones, and while old maps may have a nostalgia factor for some older players, it's better for the site to have its flagship geographical maps look halfway attractive.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby laci_mae on Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:56 pm

Incandenza, I totally agree.

Brucewar, it's disrespectful and completely out-of-line for you to slam all of the hard work that's gone into this map (and others). This site flourishes due to constructive comments volunteered by those with a helpful and polite spirit. Perhaps you a momentary lapse in your generally positive affect is the root of your remarks. I trust your future sentiments will be kinder and more useful.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 7th Post Pg. 16 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:22 pm

Good some response...

1. Classic was touched up back in April? I am not talking about the most recent Classic Art / Classic Shapes. We all know how that went over...

2. I did not list all revamps as some of them really needed it. I have been around just over a year, so only the ones I seen happen or have looked up.

3. I made an error in France.. remember looking at the thread. Saw the first image, then the finished product. Totally 100% different and much better at the end.

4. Personally I like Brazil as it is now. Don't you think rjBeals could put his great talent to use elsewhere? With that being said, I am a fan of bold colored maps that jump off the screen. Pastel maps do not do much for me.

5. Also I know tons of time goes into a revamp, which is why I think many of these revamps would be better served making new maps and or fixing the maps that really need fixing. CCU could use some new graphics perhaps. A Few others come to mind as well.

With all that being said I am glad the map makers of CC are pushing to get the best maps out available anywhere online. This is what makes CC #1 over any other places.
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