TRAFALGAR [12.4.2012] QUENCHED (V65)

[LED ZEPPELINER]

what i think might be a cool idea is if you were to make it so some boats can only reainforce each other (not attack) and others can attack another but not reinforce it, just throwing that ou thiere, maybe with like ally boats and enemy boats

And sorry for this, but totally don't understand this one. Please expand.

what i mean is if you were in a real naval battle, you wouldn't be attacking ships from your own fleet, so some connecting ships, maybe could just be able to reinforce one another, but not attack one another, i hope it makes sense

[cairnswk]

what i think might be a cool idea is if you were to make it so some boats can only reainforce each other (not attack) and others can attack another but not reinforce it, just throwing that ou thiere, maybe with like ally boats and enemy boats

And sorry for this, but totally don't understand this one. Please expand.

what i mean is if you were in a real naval battle, you wouldn't be attacking ships from your own fleet, so some connecting ships, maybe could just be able to reinforce one another, but not attack one another, i hope it makes sense

Ah OK, i see now....i had this issue with Pearl Harbour also.
Unfortunately you cannot replicate a real life battle with the drop from this game, so you have to be able to conquer your own fleet, if it is held by someone else. reinforcement are thus enabled.

[cairnswk]

Current version 10.

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[The Neon Peon]

Looks really nice. Good updates.

What I was saying about the left legend is that you should not outline some of the parts of the ship, like you have currently done to the lanterns and some of the ropes on the legend ship.

Thanks for doing the bonus suggestion. I like the amounts you chose. Was thinking that some like the French should be worth more, but when I actually thought about it, I came back to your choices.

The Spanish "W" is not capitalized in the legend.

The text should read: "Any commander +1" I am not sure why you added "Plus" at the start.

Who does Monarco belong to?

[cairnswk]

Looks really nice. Good updates.

What I was saying about the left legend is that you should not outline some of the parts of the ship, like you have currently done to the lanterns and some of the ropes on the legend ship.

Thanks for doing the bonus suggestion. I like the amounts you chose. Was thinking that some like the French should be worth more, but when I actually thought about it, I came back to your choices.

The Spanish "W" is not capitalized in the legend.

The text should read: "Any commander +1" I am not sure why you added "Plus" at the start.

Who does Monarco belong to?

Monarco -> Monarca belongs to the Spanish.
1. The left legend will be tidied
2. I think i have eliminated the bottlenecks - don't like them after Das Schloss fiasco
3. re-arrranged the bonus legend
4. Cannon are starting to get sorted.

Version 11

[MrBenn]

I love the 'build-your-own' bonuses - I think that is exactly the way that battles would work on the ground - a combination of strategic territories, and strength in depth

I wonder if there is something that can be done to emphasise the difference between Broadside attacks and Raking attacks? Part of me wonders whether some of the ships could be turned, and add in more one-way attacks?

As a minor aside, I noticed that you only have 31 French/Spanish vessels, when there were 33 in total?

(I've just watched this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/launch_ani_trafalgar.shtml)

During the engagement at Trafalgar, on 21 October 1805, the Royal Navy annihilated the greatest threat to British security for 200 years, but lost Britain's national hero in the process. Little wonder the battle transcended the mundane calculation of ships and men, victory and defeat. It guaranteed Britain's control of the oceans, the basis of her global power for over a century.

[Advanced Draft]

[The Neon Peon]

I think that the cannons are perfectly fine now. They are all clear as to where they are pointing.

[cairnswk]

I love the 'build-your-own' bonuses - I think that is exactly the way that battles would work on the ground - a combination of strategic territories, and strength in depth

I wonder if there is something that can be done to emphasise the difference between Broadside attacks and Raking attacks? Part of me wonders whether some of the ships could be turned, and add in more one-way attacks?

As a minor aside, I noticed that you only have 31 French/Spanish vessels, when there were 33 in total?

(I've just watched this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/launch_ani_trafalgar.shtml)

During the engagement at Trafalgar, on 21 October 1805, the Royal Navy annihilated the greatest threat to British security for 200 years, but lost Britain's national hero in the process. Little wonder the battle transcended the mundane calculation of ships and men, victory and defeat. It guaranteed Britain's control of the oceans, the basis of her global power for over a century.

[Advanced Draft]

Thanks for Stamp Mr Benn.
1. i'll have to investiage the broadside and raking attack thing, i am sure there might be something that can be done.
Can you explain further.
2. Yes there were 33, and i have deliberately left 2 out - the British Achille and the French Redoubtable, i was waiting to see if someone noticed. I left the Achille out because of there being two of each name, although now i think my argument was piss-poor because there are 2 Neptune. I'll fix it.

I think that the cannons are perfectly fine now. They are all clear as to where they are pointing.

Thanks, someone may still think they need fixing though.

[MrBenn]

1. i'll have to investiage the broadside and raking attack thing, i am sure there might be something that can be done.
Can you explain further.
2. Yes there were 33, and i have deliberately left 2 out - the British Achille and the French Redoubtable

1. The cannons on the ships only fire from the sides... check out the animation on the page I linked to...

Broadside attacks are when two ships are parrallel to each other, and firing upon each other.
Raking attacks are when one ship has its side facing the bow/stern of the enemy, and can fire without return.

2. The Redoutable blocked Victory's way through the enemy line - how dare you leave it out

[cairnswk]

1. i'll have to investiage the broadside and raking attack thing, i am sure there might be something that can be done.
Can you explain further.
2. Yes there were 33, and i have deliberately left 2 out - the British Achille and the French Redoubtable

1. The cannons on the ships only fire from the sides... check out the animation on the page I linked to...

Broadside attacks are when two ships are parrallel to each other, and firing upon each other.
Raking attacks are when one ship has its side facing the bow/stern of the enemy, and can fire without return.

2. The Redoutable blocked Victory's way through the enemy line - how dare you leave it out

I looked at your video....good stuff.
Yes i left the Redoubtable out.

Still it's back in....Version 12 below fixes some of the broadsides and there should be 33 vessels now.

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[cairnswk]

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      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Bucentaure</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>358</smallx>
         <smally>202</smally>
         <largex>456</largex>
         <largey>251</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Leviathon</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Hortense</border>
        <border>Victory</border>
        <border>Mars</border>
   <border>Royal Sovereign</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>306</smallx>
         <smally>248</smally>
         <largex>390</largex>
         <largey>309</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Victory</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathon</border>
        <border>Bucentaure</border>
        <border>Neptune(B)</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign</border>
        <border>Temaraire</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Redoubtable</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Bucentaure</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Santa Anna</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>403</smallx>
         <smally>248</smally>
         <largex>513</largex>
         <largey>309</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>5</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Temaraire</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Bucentaure</border>
        <border>Victory</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Santissima Trinidad</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Bucentaure</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Neptune(F)</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>467</smallx>
         <smally>198</smally>
         <largex>594</largex>
         <largey>245</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End British (W) -->

<!-- Start French (L) -->

<territory>
   <name>Aigle</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Redoubtable</border>
        <border>Monarca</border>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>Intrepid</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Belleisle</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>423</smallx>
         <smally>377</smally>
         <largex>538</largex>
         <largey>473</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Indomptable</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Neptune(F)</border>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>472</smallx>
         <smally>324</smally>
         <largex>601</largex>
         <largey>405</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Fougueux</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Aigle</border>
        <border>Principe De Astuckis</border>
        <border>Swiftsure</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>481</smallx>
         <smally>383</smally>
         <largex>612</largex>
         <largey>481</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Intrepid</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Aigle</border>
        <border>Themis</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Belleisle</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>369</smallx>
         <smally>413</smally>
         <largex>470</largex>
         <largey>519</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Themis</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Intrepid</border>
        <border>Bellerphon</border>
        <border>Swiftsure</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Belleisle</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Bellerphon</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Euryalis</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>317</smallx>
         <smally>449</smally>
         <largex>404</largex>
         <largey>564</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Swiftsure</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>Themis</border>
        <border>Pluton</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Euryalis</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>371</smallx>
         <smally>479</smally>
         <largex>472</largex>
         <largey>602</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Pluton</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Euryalis</border>
        <border>San Ildefenso</border>
        <border>Swiftsure</border>
        <border>Achille(F)</border>
        <border>Polyphemus</border>
        </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Polyphemus</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Euryalis</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>291</smallx>
         <smally>538</smally>
         <largex>370</largex>
         <largey>677</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Achille(F)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Prince</border>
        <border>Pluton</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Polyphemus</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Prince</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>286</smallx>
         <smally>594</smally>
         <largex>364</largex>
         <largey>748</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Berwick</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Argonauta</border>
        <border>Achille(F)</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>346</smallx>
         <smally>594</smally>
         <largex>440</largex>
         <largey>749</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End French (L) -->

<!-- Start Spanish (L) -->

<territory>
   <name>Santa Anna</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Monarca</border>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Victory</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Royal Sovereign</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>418</smallx>
         <smally>305</smally>
         <largex>532</largex>
         <largey>381</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Leonardo</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad</border>
        <border>Montanez</border>
        <border>Santa Anna</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>513</smallx>
         <smally>302</smally>
         <largex>653</largex>
         <largey>378</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Montanez</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Principe De Astuckis</border>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
        <border>San Justo</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>556</smallx>
         <smally>331</smally>
         <largex>707</largex>
         <largey>415</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Monarca</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Santa Anna</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign</border>
        <border>Aigle</border>
        <border>Bahama</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Royal Sovereign</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Colossus</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>378</smallx>
         <smally>353</smally>
         <largex>481</largex>
         <largey>442</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Principe De Astuckis</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Montanez</border>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>San Juan de Nepomuceno</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>509</smallx>
         <smally>411</smally>
         <largex>647</largex>
         <largey>516</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bahama</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Monarca</border>
        <border>San Ildefenso</border>
        <border>San Juan de Nepomuceno</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>428</smallx>
         <smally>476</smally>
         <largex>545</largex>
         <largey>599</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Juan de Nepomuceno</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Principe De Astuckis</border>
        <border>Bahama</border>
        <border>Argonauta</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>465</smallx>
         <smally>476</smally>
         <largex>592</largex>
         <largey>599</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Ildefenso</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Pluton</border>
        <border>Argonauta</border>
        <border>Bahama</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Euryalis</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>354</smallx>
         <smally>538</smally>
         <largex>450</largex>
         <largey>677</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Argonauta</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Ildefenso</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
        <border>San Juan de Nepomuceno</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>399</smallx>
         <smally>557</smally>
         <largex>508</largex>
         <largey>701</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Spanish (L) -->

<!-- Start British (L) -->

<territory>
   <name>Mars</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathon</border>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>250</smallx>
         <smally>317</smally>
         <largex>318</largex>
         <largey>397</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Royal Sovereign</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathon</border>
        <border>Victory</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
        <border>Monarca</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Santa Anna</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Monarca</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>346</smallx>
         <smally>303</smally>
         <largex>440</largex>
         <largey>379</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Colossus</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Monarca</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>293</smallx>
         <smally>346</smally>
         <largex>373</largex>
         <largey>433</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Tonnant</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Mars</border>
        <border>Achille(B)</border>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
   <border>Revenge</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>244</smallx>
         <smally>376</smally>
         <largex>311</largex>
         <largey>472</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Belleisle</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
        <border>Bellerphon</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Intrepid</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>330</smallx>
         <smally>392</smally>
         <largex>420</largex>
         <largey>492</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Achille(B)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
        <border>Defence</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>201</smallx>
         <smally>425</smally>
         <largex>256</largex>
         <largey>534</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bellerphon</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Euryalis</border>
        <border>Themis</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Themis</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Intrepid</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>275</smallx>
         <smally>436</smally>
         <largex>350</largex>
         <largey>548</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Revenge</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
        <border>Bellerphon</border>
        <border>Defiance</border>
        <border>Defence</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Themis</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>231</smallx>
         <smally>468</smally>
         <largex>295</largex>
         <largey>588</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Defence</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Achille(B)</border>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Thunderer</border>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>161</smallx>
         <smally>484</smally>
         <largex>205</largex>
         <largey>609</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Euryalis</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Bellerphon</border>
        <border>Pluton</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Themis</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Swiftsure</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Pluton</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>290</smallx>
         <smally>489</smally>
         <largex>369</largex>
         <largey>615</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Thunderer</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Defence</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>117</smallx>
         <smally>505</smally>
         <largex>150</largex>
         <largey>636</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Defiance</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Polyphemus</border>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>197</smallx>
         <smally>515</smally>
         <largex>251</largex>
         <largey>648</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Polyphemus</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Defiance</border>
        <border>Pluton</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Achille(F)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Pluton</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>243</smallx>
         <smally>542</smally>
         <largex>310</largex>
         <largey>682</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dreadnought</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Defence</border>
        <border>Prince</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>137</smallx>
         <smally>579</smally>
         <largex>175</largex>
         <largey>730</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Prince</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Achille(F)</border>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Achille(F)</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>217</smallx>
         <smally>594</smally>
         <largex>277</largex>
         <largey>748</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

</map>


[LED ZEPPELINER]

try centering the 88's a little better,

[cairnswk]

try centering the 88's a little better,

I appreciate you wanting to post...but that centering suggestion is a post for Final Forge or Stickied Foundry.

Right now, i'd appreciate some input on gameplay please, and is ther any way that the connections can be bettered!

[cairnswk]

Are there too many lines for instance?

[The Neon Peon]

Are there too many lines for instance?

I like this map a lot for its gameplay, so to me it is all good already.

I think you should limit the amount of 2 way border and bombard. I highly doubt that the bombard feature will be used a lot in that instance. How will this work with clickable maps?