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Are Jurys a good idea?

Poll ended at Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:52 pm

YES!
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no
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No but I am just un-happy because they won't let me be on one
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Jury Discussion- POLL

Postby sailorseal on Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:18 pm

sailorseal wrote:There is a serious problem in the foundry. The process just doesn't seem right in my opinion. There needs to be some sort of set process for the formation of maps, not just they advance as the CAs deem it time. I think there needs to be standards set.
Maybe I should put this in sugs and bugs?
Example:
50 different people making approving comments to get Advanced Draft

See just little things like this posted in the map making guide to set goals from map makers to work towards...

Well this is what I originally had but now this thread seems to have become a discussion about the Jury System...
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Re: I feel that...

Postby LED ZEPPELINER on Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:37 pm

i don't think that you have a clear head write now as you are writing this, you are just trying to blow off steam
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Re: I feel that...

Postby sailorseal on Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:38 pm

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:i don't think that you have a clear head writeright now as you are writing this, you are just trying to blow off steam


Wow julien you are soooooooo helpful...
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Re: I feel that...

Postby the.killing.44 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:40 pm

You're pretty much wrong. The Foundry (however dead) is most community-driven, and there have been instances when CAs have been opposed to something while the Foundry is for it, and it has been passed. However there are examples to the contrary.

Oh, and where have 50 people wanted Adv. Draft?

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Re: I feel that...

Postby Incandenza on Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:41 pm

Remember that there's no real formula to creating maps. It's a subjective process, and kinda has to be treated as such. The bar does seem to have been raised for making it out of the drafting room, but IMHO that's not a bad thing. The more Darwinian the process, the better the final result.
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Re: I feel that...

Postby sailorseal on Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:15 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:You're pretty much wrong. The Foundry (however dead) is most community-driven, and there have been instances when CAs have been opposed to something while the Foundry is for it, and it has been passed. However there are examples to the contrary.

Oh, and where have 50 people wanted Adv. Draft?

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It was just a random example
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Re: I feel that...

Postby The Neon Peon on Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:27 pm

1. The foundry is not dead. We are getting more comments than ever, more and more people are making maps, and the maps are getting better with each new batch that comes out of here. (sorry, side note to someone who posted)
2. The map makers are doing fine in giving maps stamps. They have requirements that need to be met. If they do not think someone's graphics are good, and only 1 or 2 of the veteran map makers approves of them, I would say that outweighs 50 random people who like the map. They have set requirements for the map, and there have been cases where the map maker might not personally like the map, but stamps it anyway because it is obvious that the majority of the people really like it.
3. People tend to give out good comments even with the bad ones. No one is going to come in and completely trash a map if it has even an iota of potential. Also, it is way too easy to just get all your friends to come and compliment your map. I would say let the professionals decide on important things rather than trust to a majority.
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Re: I feel that...

Postby the.killing.44 on Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:33 pm

I meant dying — and I was referring to this in the Pearl Harbor thread I looked through:
OP - by cairnswk » Mon May 14, 2007 4:01 pm
#1 - by gimil » Mon May 14, 2007 4:42 pm
#2 - by RobinJ » Mon May 14, 2007 4:54 pm
#3 - by hulmey » Mon May 14, 2007 5:05 pm
#4 - by Gilligan » Mon May 14, 2007 5:11 pm
#5 - by jennifermarie » Mon May 14, 2007 5:18 pm
#6 - by mibi » Mon May 14, 2007 6:18 pm
#7 - by edbeard » Mon May 14, 2007 6:23 pm
#8 - by plysprtz » Mon May 14, 2007 6:47 pm
#9 - by DiM » Mon May 14, 2007 7:05 pm
*cairns works on v2*
OP - by cairnswk » Sat May 19, 2007 12:52 am
#1 - by dominationnation » Sat May 19, 2007 12:53 am
#2 - by frood » Sat May 19, 2007 2:53 am
#3 - by onbekende » Sat May 19, 2007 5:43 am
#4 - by Gozar » Sat May 19, 2007 3:41 pm
#5 - by DiM » Sat May 19, 2007 3:41 pm

I still love the Foundry :)

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Re: I feel that...

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:35 pm

Oaktown has a few beautiful posts around here somewhere, about how it is seemingly impossible to create "strictly defined" benchmarks, like the mentioned "x # of people supported Advanced Draft", etc. The C.A.'s, Stamp Lickers, and I do our best to clarify reasonably what we are all looking for.

If we could explicitly say map making was: "getting 20 person support, 10 revisions, in 2 months time," --- it would do a lot of injustice.

If you feel things are moving slowly in the Foundry, try to help out more, help the C.A.'s out when you can. Become a Stamp Licker, or if you don't want to (or we don't want you, ;)), check out other maps an try to anticipate what a C.A. might say in regards to stamp requirements. The C.A.s and Stamp Lickers do read, so if assist in their job, they can move from map to map quicker. ;)


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Re: I feel that...

Postby The Neon Peon on Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:35 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:I meant dying — and I was referring to this in the Pearl Harbor thread I looked through:
OP - by cairnswk » Mon May 14, 2007 4:01 pm
#1 - by gimil » Mon May 14, 2007 4:42 pm
#2 - by RobinJ » Mon May 14, 2007 4:54 pm
#3 - by hulmey » Mon May 14, 2007 5:05 pm
#4 - by Gilligan » Mon May 14, 2007 5:11 pm
#5 - by jennifermarie » Mon May 14, 2007 5:18 pm
#6 - by mibi » Mon May 14, 2007 6:18 pm
#7 - by edbeard » Mon May 14, 2007 6:23 pm
#8 - by plysprtz » Mon May 14, 2007 6:47 pm
#9 - by DiM » Mon May 14, 2007 7:05 pm
*cairns works on v2*
OP - by cairnswk » Sat May 19, 2007 12:52 am
#1 - by dominationnation » Sat May 19, 2007 12:53 am
#2 - by frood » Sat May 19, 2007 2:53 am
#3 - by onbekende » Sat May 19, 2007 5:43 am
#4 - by Gozar » Sat May 19, 2007 3:41 pm
#5 - by DiM » Sat May 19, 2007 3:41 pm

I still love the Foundry :)

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Re: I feel that...

Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:17 am

i think he meant it's very common to see only a few regular posters over and over in a thread that are the only ones who bring enough good criticism to help a map thru the process...
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Postby sailorseal on Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:27 am

whitestazn88 wrote:i think he meant it's very common to see only a few regular posters over and over in a thread that are the only ones who bring enough good criticism to help a map thru the process...


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Postby the.killing.44 on Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:59 am

Yeah, that and no map, save CAs' ones and Rj+cairns's, get comments in that timeframe and in that magnitude like they did.

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Re: I feel that...

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:25 pm

There are indeed a few regular posters who's input is valuable. But they all come ago. The familiar posts I knew when I first started are all gone. The trick is...become one of those valued posters by commenting on other people's maps---and not focusing exclusively on your own. Invite some friends from your games or your clan or real life to come and give input in the Foundry...lets get more regulars!


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Re: I feel that...

Postby oaktown on Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:20 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:Yeah, that and no map, save CAs' ones and Rj+cairns's, get comments in that timeframe and in that magnitude like they did.

well, I've been a CA for about a year now, and if you look at my current maps in the Foundry you'll see that they are about as dead as the rest. The threads that show the most activity are the threads that show the most regular draft updates... if I let a thread sit for more than a day without an update it dies. You also have to consider map quality - if folks are excited about a map they will show up. If your idea is boring and your image dull you'll get little feedback.
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