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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby yeti_c on Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:24 am

MrBenn wrote:As far as XML work goes, I cannot stress how important it is going to be to keep the territories in the same order as in the original XML file. To this end, it would be helpful if you could put together a single master list that shows all the territory names and how the new ones map onto the old ones.


Concur.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Tisha on Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:30 am

The Neon Peon wrote:This may have been discussed before, but what is the point of having images in the background if the territory connections, names and army numbers render them incomprehensible?

with the images in the background of the territories, the different font sizes, the borders drawn like that.. it makes the map very busy
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby oaktown on Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:55 am

Tisha wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:This may have been discussed before, but what is the point of having images in the background if the territory connections, names and army numbers render them incomprehensible?

with the images in the background of the territories, the different font sizes, the borders drawn like that.. it makes the map very busy

While I don't think the map is too busy (real life maps are busy) I agree with the first comment in that I can't tell what some of those background images are. The "watermark" images in the yellow and red regions are an absolute mystery to me, so if they're going to there I'd like them to be more pronounced.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby ZeakCytho on Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:08 pm

I kind of like the watermark images as they are now. Any stronger and they'd make the image too busy, any less opaque and what's the point of them being there? I think you found a good balance :)
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Arachnophobia on Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:10 pm

Lets get this one done ppl
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby laci_mae on Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:00 pm

Bump.

What's the hold-up? Pep, maybe changing the thread title would get a mod's attention.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby pepperonibread on Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:01 am

laci_mae wrote:Bump.

What's the hold-up? Pep, maybe changing the thread title would get a mod's attention.

LMR


Sorry, been doing schoolwork. Whenever I get back to this (hopefully soon), there'll just be some small changes to deal with, as the map is in FF.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby laci_mae on Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:52 pm

Hey. Didn't mean to direct that "What's the hold-up" at you. Just to the process in general. I do think (when you get time of course) that updating the title will draw some new attention.

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Arachnophobia on Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:53 pm

any news bout this one?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby WidowMakers on Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:25 pm

Hey Pep,

Just want to say this is a great revamp. MUCH better than the old.
Like the tweaks you made to keep the GP but make the map a better overall piece of art.

Good Job

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby beav77 on Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:57 pm

Though the revamp may be prettier artistically, it looks so much more complicated. Is it really necessary to make a map prettier if it's going to be an eyesore when it comes to playability? The original Germany map may have some flaws, but it is nice in that it is simple to see everything clearly. All the jagged lines, colors, new mountains etc. just serve to make the map appear more confusing. I personally prefer the original because of this...
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby pepperonibread on Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:32 pm

New update, complete with finished xml:

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Small:

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Large 88's XML Test:

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Small 88's XML Test:

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Large 888's XML Test:

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Small 888's XML Test:

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XML Link: http://h1.ripway.com/pepperonibread/Germany.xml

Changes:
-Scooched a couple mountains around.
-Darkened the coats of arms on the six continents. I think these are basically set - as whenever I bold them, there are complaints about the map being too busy, and whenever I dull the arms down, people say they're too hard to identify. It's more of an aesthetics thing anyway, looking at the Great Lakes map you can see the same effect with flags, and many of those are certainly not easy to see.
-Thinned down the bridge between Rugen and Rostock.
-Completed the XML. So those army # tests above are the real deal now, not just 88's that I pasted on. I posted the 888's tests as well.

To do:
-Fix 88's, if any are off-center or misplaced.
-Comments?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Pg. 20 w/ XML [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby the.killing.44 on Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:03 pm

Important things first (in order of importance)…

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888 covers Chemnitz "C"
    move co-ords a couple px left
888 clips Osnabrück "O"
    move co-ords a couple px down and left
888 clips Eisenach "a"
    move co-ords a couple px left
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888 covers Chemnitz "C"
    move co-ords a couple px left
888 clips Osnabrück "O"
    move co-ords a couple px down and left
888 clips Eisenach "a"
    move co-ords a couple px left
888 clips Schwerin "S"
    move co-ords a couple px left
Then the small but easily fixable ones…
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Heilbronn (L)
Mainz (L)
Bremen (L)
Passau (L)
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Passau (L)
Mainz (L)
Bremen (L)
I also suggest you move the Nürnberg numbers up right under the name, instead of the bottom of the territory — it looks like you have room.

Nice job =D>
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby pepperonibread on Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:22 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:Important things first (in order of importance)…

Large
888 covers Chemnitz "C"
    move co-ords a couple px left
888 clips Osnabrück "O"
    move co-ords a couple px down and left
888 clips Eisenach "a"
    move co-ords a couple px left
Small
888 covers Chemnitz "C"
    move co-ords a couple px left
888 clips Osnabrück "O"
    move co-ords a couple px down and left
888 clips Eisenach "a"
    move co-ords a couple px left
888 clips Schwerin "S"
    move co-ords a couple px left
Then the small but easily fixable ones…
Large
Heilbronn (L)
Mainz (L)
Bremen (L)
Passau (L)
Small
Passau (L)
Mainz (L)
Bremen (L)
I also suggest you move the Nürnberg numbers up right under the name, instead of the bottom of the territory — it looks like you have room.

Nice job =D>
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Thanks, I'll try to get to these soon. Some of them, like the Chemnitz number, are an especially tight fit, but I'll see what I can figure out.

Also, to anyone knowledgeable with XML's (yeti?): I need some help with adding umlauts to my code. I think it has something to do with Unicode, but I can't exactly remember. Any suggestions?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Pg. 20 w/ XML [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby gho on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:20 am

whats happening with this map? why isnt it moving?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby oaktown on Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:10 am

pepperonibread wrote:Also, to anyone knowledgeable with XML's (yeti?): I need some help with adding umlauts to my code. I think it has something to do with Unicode, but I can't exactly remember. Any suggestions?

I had the same problem with the Berlin map. here's a good list of character entity references...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XM ... references
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby pepperonibread on Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:47 pm

oaktown wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:Also, to anyone knowledgeable with XML's (yeti?): I need some help with adding umlauts to my code. I think it has something to do with Unicode, but I can't exactly remember. Any suggestions?

I had the same problem with the Berlin map. here's a good list of character entity references...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XM ... references


Thanks oaktown.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Pg. 20 w/ XML [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby Seulessliathan on Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:15 am

wasn´t there a river in the north of Münster? Rhein isn´t there exactly , but .... mountains? There aren´t any mountains around. Can you change this back to river please? (although the river is wrong, because there are only small rivers, and the Rhein is elsewhere, but mountains doesn´t exist there.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby MrBenn on Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:21 pm

MrBenn wrote:Nice work pep ;-)

I think it was mentioned before about adding an additional mountain to each mountain range that overlaps the border of Germany itself, to reinforce the fact that you can't sneak round the edges of them :lol:

As far as XML work goes, I cannot stress how important it is going to be to keep the territories in the same order as in the original XML file. To this end, it would be helpful if you could put together a single master list that shows all the territory names and how the new ones map onto the old ones.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Pg. 20 w/ XML [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby mibi on Sun May 03, 2009 11:49 pm

Sorry I am a little late to the party. I am not really a fan of the texture here. What is that? Canvas?

Ditch the texture, through some parchment in there and it will be 100% better. Though you may not be able to remove the texture at this point, but it really doesn't befit germany.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Pg. 20 w/ XML [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby alexandrois on Mon May 04, 2009 1:46 am

it's great just one thing, you've two yellows next to each other and two grey/blacks next to each other, couldn't you change this
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Pg. 20 w/ XML [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby gho on Mon May 04, 2009 3:41 am

alexandrois wrote:it's great just one thing, you've two yellows next to each other and two grey/blacks next to each other, couldn't you change this

its the german flag. I like the 'canvas' just finish this map already.
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby yeti_c on Wed May 06, 2009 5:42 am

pepperonibread wrote:
oaktown wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:Also, to anyone knowledgeable with XML's (yeti?): I need some help with adding umlauts to my code. I think it has something to do with Unicode, but I can't exactly remember. Any suggestions?

I had the same problem with the Berlin map. here's a good list of character entity references...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XM ... references


Thanks oaktown.


Apologies Pep - only just read this...

Yeah - Oaks got it spot on - for an example then check out both the berlin.xml and the dasschloss.xml files...

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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update 1/24 Pg. 18 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby pepperonibread on Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:14 pm

New update, not much has changed but I'm hoping to push this along after my hiatus or whatever:

Large:

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Small:

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Large 88's XML Test:

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Small 88's XML Test:

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Large 888's XML Test:

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Small 888's XML Test:

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XML Link: http://h1.ripway.com/pepperonibread/Germany.xml

Changes:
-Added all necessary umlauts to the XML file - thank you oaktown and yeti.
MrBenn wrote:Nice work pep ;-)

I think it was mentioned before about adding an additional mountain to each mountain range that overlaps the border of Germany itself, to reinforce the fact that you can't sneak round the edges of them :lol:

As far as XML work goes, I cannot stress how important it is going to be to keep the territories in the same order as in the original XML file. To this end, it would be helpful if you could put together a single master list that shows all the territory names and how the new ones map onto the old ones.

-Sorry I never responded to this one. I did push the mountains around a bit more in this update I think, but this is as far as I'd like to move them. The aesthetics are sort of screwed up if the mountains go over the outer black line, as the layering of the map works better if the line lies "over" other parts of the map. And it with no excess space between the mountains and the border, it's honestly unlikely that anyone would mistake these areas to be something besides impassable.
-mibi mentioned the overall texture of the map, and I tried out a couple of other options prior to posting this update. Stuff like parchment is really too rough for this map, so I decided to stick with the canvas pattern. I'd venture to say that there isn't really a distinctly "German" texture anyway, and the current texture fits well for what I have been going for graphics-wise.
-I nudged around some army numbers as per killing's request. Some triple digits (especially on the small map) still clip the names, but to fix the problem entirely I'd need to push the more important double digits pretty far off center. All these changes are in the updated XML I posted above.

To do:
-Fix 88's, if any are off-center or misplaced.
-Comments?
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Re: [Official] Germany REVAMP - Update Bottom of p. 20 [I,Gp,Gr]

Postby mibi on Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:35 pm

You should take a grunge brush and use the burn tool on this map. Give it some sinisterness.
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