WWII:Poland [Quenched]

[Juan_Bottom]

Just a question, so please don't freak out on me here, but can you "get away with" the swastika? I think there is a law in Germany forbiding anything Nazi...
In fact, I remember that the board game RISK was banned there until the object of the game was changed to "liberating the world."
I like the look and dull colors though. The map itself is beautiful.
What did I miss witht he commanders? You can only attack out from them now, and bombard them, correct?

[cairnswk]

Can this map be moved up to advanced Drafts at least please.

[samuelc812]

Can this map be moved up to advanced Drafts at least please.

Please MrBenn

[samuelc812]

Just a question, so please don't freak out on me here, but can you "get away with" the swastika? I think there is a law in Germany forbiding anything Nazi...

We're not in Germany so i doubt it matters

I like the look and dull colors though. The map itself is beautiful.
What did I miss witht he commanders? You can only attack out from them now, and bombard them, correct?

Correct

[samuelc812]

Bumped

[lt_oddball]

you complained that there wasn't enough comments ?
So where are the answers on these of a couple of days ago..?

It the legend it isnot explained how commanders outside polish borders can be attacked ..

How can there be one victor if every player keeps his commander ?????


And why so strong +3 autodeployment..too much.

And this plane bombarding any place in poland..nay-nay too much emphasis on the airfields.
better use an idea I had before; separate airdomination "fields"; a string of 6 territories at the side or top of the map..each one linearly attcking the next (for dominance position) and each one capable of bombarding a fixed set of ground territories (f.e. marked with "a", the next "b"). The more airdominance fields you have , the more airdominance you have..

Your gameconcept makes it this a grabbing game between nazi and soviet commanders (and 2 polish outside their own territory???).
Please bring it back to something more akind to what it was back then : nazi troops on the left (and some from the north)., polish troops at the border and center..and (only at later stage) soviet troops from the east.

and

ah..so it's the funny eagle in the center that is the crux for attacking otzher commanders (who the hell is that tchec commander in the south??). Not immediately clear in the legend.

Now I see what the gameconept is..hmmm, nay.
It is very hard to race from a commander to the Warschau center..then you'd supposed to have enough resources left to attack a commander's heart position (bulking with troops of course)..IF the first is lucky to succeed to eliminate one other commander, he has almost NO RESOURCES left,and a THIRD commander throws in his troops on warschau and knocks out the first... and so it goes like a chain reaction.
Not nice game play..


Why not this idea:

Three (or four) Nazi commanders starting from Germany.. and four Polish commanders INSIDE Poland.

Soviet commanders/armies are neutral.

Once a Nazi player reaches the east side of the map (a particular territory) that territory (in his colour) gets +2 auto troops (if player controls nazi_A and Soviet_b then +2...so not for the 'polish' players).
Like checkers..you reach the other side of the board and you get a bonus checker.
This simulates the effect that soviet forces would not start to invade before it was clear that the nazis would totally win poland.
The downside is that on this map the nazi and soviet troops have the same colour of player...
but effectively the poles fought againt the nazis and soviets..the soviets didnot fight the nazis.
The soviet troops acted like an accessory to the nazis..really..
So i think that is better for this particular 1939 map.

ONLY Having/or keeping Warzau should mean a relatively immense bonus...the poles keeping it means "motivation/spirit" (= bonustroops in warzau), for the nazi player having warzau means they "win", lifted spirit, time for reorganisation for final mopping up actions (= bonustroops at the starting position..but much less).
Finding the right balance in this bonus for each player is the trick.

Something like that.

[samuelc812]

you complained that there wasn't enough comments?

When did i complain? I simply bumped the thread.

It the legend it is not explained how commanders outside polish borders can be attacked ..

How can there be one victor if every player keeps his commander ?????

If you look carefully it is explained, the Polish Air-Force Symbol in the centre of poland can bombard commanders outside Poland.

And why so strong +3 autodeployment..too much.

That's not that strong, there are hardly any bonuses compared to a normal map, so +3 i think suits the commanders well.

And this plane bombarding any place in poland..nay-nay too much emphasis on the airfields.
better use an idea I had before; separate airdomination "fields"; a string of 6 territories at the side or top of the map..each one linearly attcking the next (for dominance position) and each one capable of bombarding a fixed set of ground territories (f.e. marked with "a", the next "b"). The more airdominance fields you have , the more airdominance you have..

I don't want to make this map any more complicated than it has to be, adding anymore things i am afraid it would make the map to crowded than it already is. I have restricted the planes attacking power, by restricting them to only be able to attack Tanks.

Your gameconcept makes it this a grabbing game between nazi and soviet commanders (and 2 polish outside their own territory???).
Please bring it back to something more akind to what it was back then : nazi troops on the left (and some from the north)., polish troops at the border and center..and (only at later stage) soviet troops from the east.

This map does not depict the very beginning of the Invasion, it is depicting the invasion after it has mostly happened and when Nazi and Soviet forces we're occupying the entirety of Poland. the Polish territories outside Poland, are representative of Polish forces retreating to the South-East once the Soviets began to invade.

ah..so it's the funny eagle in the center that is the crux for attacking otzher commanders (who the hell is that tchec commander in the south??). Not immediately clear in the legend.

The "funny" eagle as you put it, is the symbol of the Polish Air-Force, and it represents the remaining air-force, and the rebellion. The Polish Commander outside of Poland, represents the retreating portion of the Polish Army, they are trying to get back into Poland and retake their country.

Now I see what the gameconept is..hmmm, nay(=no?).
It is very hard to race from a commander to the Warschau center..then you'd supposed to have enough resources left to attack a commander's heart position (bulking with troops of course)..IF the first is lucky to succeed to eliminate one other commander, he has almost NO RESOURCES left,and a THIRD commander throws in his troops on warschau and knocks out the first... and so it goes like a chain reaction.
Not nice game play..

I can say that whoever goes for the centre position on the first turn would have to be out of their mind. We can always increase the neutrals on that position to something like 10 to make it harder to attain in the first or second turns.

Why not this idea:

Three (or four) Nazi commanders starting from Germany.. and four Polish commanders INSIDE Poland.

Soviet commanders/armies are neutral.

The whole point is the invasion of Poland, the aim shouldn't be to get the Soviet commanders, the aim should be to invade poland, and capture the Polish commanders, hence why they are neutral. Then there is also the way for Poland to get rescued by taking the centre eagle and attacking the enemy commanders.

Once a Nazi player reaches the east side of the map (a particular territory) that territory (in his colour) gets +2 auto troops (if player controls nazi_A and Soviet_b then +2...so not for the 'polish' players).
Like checkers..you reach the other side of the board and you get a bonus checker.
This simulates the effect that soviet forces would not start to invade before it was clear that the nazis would totally win poland.
The downside is that on this map the nazi and soviet troops have the same colour of player...
but effectively the poles fought againt the nazis and soviets..the soviets didnot fight the nazis.
The soviet troops acted like an accessory to the nazis..really..
So i think that is better for this particular 1939 map.

Well this isn't really checkers, and again this is the invasion of Poland not the race to the other side of Poland and then the Soviets attack? And the Germans and Soviets actually did fight

Germany captured the Soviet-occupied areas of Poland when it invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941, and lost the territory in 1944 to an advancing Red Army

ONLY Having/or keeping Warzau should mean a relatively immense bonus...the poles keeping it means "motivation/spirit" (= bonustroops in warzau), for the nazi player having warzau means they "win", lifted spirit, time for reorganisation for final mopping up actions (= bonustroops at the starting position..but much less).
Finding the right balance in this bonus for each player is the trick.

I might lower the auto-deploy on the starting positions to +2, as well as the Polish Commanders within Poland, Holding the Polish Air-Force gett's a +5 bonus which is pretty immense.

Thanks for commenting

[miniwally]

wasn't poland the area france and britain defended as they knew germany were going to be attacked net so i suggest adding maybe a french and british commander it's a possible idea

[samuelc812]

That was after the initial invasion by Germany and the Soviet's which is what this map depicts

[MrBenn]

[Advanced Draft]

[samuelc812]

[Advanced Draft]

Thankyou

[miniwally]

That was after the initial invasion by Germany and the Soviet's which is what this map depicts

interesting

[qwert]

Well,from mine point of view,i belive that these map will be better to have Victory Objectives, for examle you can put that who conquer Warsaw and 3-4 larger town vin a game,instead these central territory who bombard all other German Generals. These i belive will be correct concept of Invasion of Poland 1939. These is how i see these map.

[samuelc812]

Thanks qwert I was wondering when you would pop in

[qwert]

Well i have some experience in that area, if you research a little maybe you will find what whas town whas target in german plans,so you can take these towns for objectives, also you can do that for soviet side,and maybe in that way you can have two objectives like i have in Europe 1914.