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Re: tweak to the fortification dropdowns [Done]

Postby potiusmori on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:03 am

lackattack wrote:Good suggestion potiusmori, benjikat and Androidz. It is now live :)

Also made it default to max # of armies, as suggested here: Fort All Armies, not One

This should cut down on the number of clicks and associated cases of carpal tunnel syndrome.

Long live reinforcements!


oholycrap. i had forgotten i had even mentioned it... loving it though. thanks lack
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:10 am

InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby sully800 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:16 am

owenshooter wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0


It moved to the right, because the country you are fortifying from determines the number of armies that can be fortified, not the other way around.

It's counter intuitive because you are used to reading it as a sentence. Fortify X from Y to Z. Now you're still probably thinking that but the sentence has changed to Fortify from Y to Z, X armies. It may not be as neat, but its actually more logical to determine the from country first, then the to country, then the number

Give it a week or two and I imagine we'll all be used to it.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby magpies on Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:35 am

Good job guys,great improvment> =D>
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Androidz on Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:07 am

O.o, one of my suggestions actully came trough, even tough i wasen't first one to suggest it :lol:.

Anyway great update:)
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:08 am

sully800 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0


It moved to the right, because the country you are fortifying from determines the number of armies that can be fortified, not the other way around.

It's counter intuitive because you are used to reading it as a sentence. Fortify X from Y to Z. Now you're still probably thinking that but the sentence has changed to Fortify from Y to Z, X armies. It may not be as neat, but its actually more logical to determine the from country first, then the to country, then the number

Give it a week or two and I imagine we'll all be used to it.


sully, are you looking at the same thing i'm looking at on my games? i'm sorry but it makes far more sense to say, move x number of armies from Y to Z, than to say move Y to Z, x number of armies... if i look at a stack of apples that i want to move to a box. i am going to say, "move 3 apples from the stack, to the box. i'm not going to say, move apples to the box, 3 of them... maybe i'm not smart enough to understand what you are saying, but i am smart enough to know that it is counter intuitive... the black jesus has spoken...-0
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Johnny Crow on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:09 am

If it's not broke...don't fix it.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Rainman23 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:28 am

I like the old way better I think they should switch back from left to right!
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Thezzaruz on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:25 am

A small change that improves playability? I love it!
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> to all involved.



owenshooter wrote:i'm sorry but it makes far more sense to say, move x number of armies from Y to Z, than to say move Y to Z, x number of armies... if i look at a stack of apples that i want to move to a box. i am going to say, "move 3 apples from the stack, to the box. i'm not going to say, move apples to the box, 3 of them...


It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.
And your analogy falters as the numbers box doesn't know how many armies it can move until you have made a choice in the from box. Your suggestion would lead to people having to make a choice in the middle box (from) and then having to retrace their steps to the left box to choose how many, now we just go from left to right.

+ everything that sully said.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:38 am

Thezzaruz wrote:A small change that improves playability? I love it!
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> to all involved.



owenshooter wrote:It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.
And your analogy falters as the numbers box doesn't know how many armies it can move until you have made a choice in the from box. Your suggestion would lead to people having to make a choice in the middle box (from) and then having to retrace their steps to the left box to choose how many, now we just go from left to right.

+ everything that sully said.


i'm talking about in the final fortifications phase, not during the attacks.. during the attacks, it is WONDERFUL. when you are making reenfrocements, it is counter intuitive, period. just took another turn, and it is just silly.
you fly through with the new change, and it is great. then you end attacks, and you have to switch the thought process to move your troops around... it just makes zero sense... you now attack and fortify 2 seperate ways in
the same boxes!!! how in the hell is that "better"? it makes no sense. the black jesus has spoken.-0
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Night Strike on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:07 pm

My guess is that the From Where country is selected first so the number of troops can auto-adjust to what that territory has.

What I'm happy about is that it doesn't appear to have harmed Clicky Maps.
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Improved Reinforcements

Postby kmhebert on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:19 pm

Hey Try it! You'll like it. No. I don't. Specifically what I do not like is how the default # of armies to fortify is the maximum possible. I would like it to be the minimum possible. I do like how it fixes the illegal fortification issue. But I would like a Game Setting to allow you to set your default to either the min or max # of armies, that should be easy. Heh sometimes improvements are in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Tracita on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:49 pm

I am trying it (I have no choice) but I do think it is counterintuitive... maybe b/c I am not used to it. The sentence is awkward though.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:21 pm

Tracita wrote:I am trying it (I have no choice) but I do think it is counterintuitive... maybe b/c I am not used to it. The sentence is awkward though.

amen... i mean, you should attack and forify the same way, right? i can live with the max number for advancing after attack... i just don't like the box switching sides for reenforcements and having to call on the german language structure for it to make sense to me... the black jesus has agreed with tracita...-0
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Orwell on Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:49 pm

Max forts as default is fine.

Moving the dropdown box was a mistake:
"Reinforce from (A) to (B) (#) troops" is awkward to say the least
whereas
"Reinforce (#) troops from (A) to (B)" is clear.

If a change in the order is important, I suggest:
"(A) sends (#) troops to reinforce (B)"
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