WWII:Poland [Quenched]

Care to peruse completed maps? Take a stroll through the Atlas.

Moderators: Cartographers, Global Moderators

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:39 am

Just a question, so please don't freak out on me here, but can you "get away with" the swastika? I think there is a law in Germany forbiding anything Nazi...
In fact, I remember that the board game RISK was banned there until the object of the game was changed to "liberating the world."
I like the look and dull colors though. The map itself is beautiful.
What did I miss witht he commanders? You can only attack out from them now, and bombard them, correct?
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Juan_Bottom
 
Posts: 1103
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm
Location: USA RULES! WHOOO!!!!
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (3)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby cairnswk on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:05 am

Can this map be moved up to advanced Drafts at least please.
User avatar
Corporal cairnswk
 
Posts: 11490
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:32 pm
Medals: 50
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (3) General Achievement (2) Map Contribution (35) General Contribution (3)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:30 pm

cairnswk wrote:Can this map be moved up to advanced Drafts at least please.


Please MrBenn :)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:33 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Just a question, so please don't freak out on me here, but can you "get away with" the swastika? I think there is a law in Germany forbiding anything Nazi...


We're not in Germany so i doubt it matters ;)

Juan_Bottom wrote:I like the look and dull colors though. The map itself is beautiful.
What did I miss witht he commanders? You can only attack out from them now, and bombard them, correct?


Correct :)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby samuelc812 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:25 pm

Bumped :)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V3- 27/1/09

Postby lt_oddball on Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:33 am

you complained that there wasn't enough comments ?
So where are the answers on these of a couple of days ago..? :?:


lt_oddball wrote:It the legend it isnot explained how commanders outside polish borders can be attacked ..

How can there be one victor if every player keeps his commander ?????


And why so strong +3 autodeployment..too much. :sick:

And this plane bombarding any place in poland..nay-nay too much emphasis on the airfields.
better use an idea I had before; separate airdomination "fields"; a string of 6 territories at the side or top of the map..each one linearly attcking the next (for dominance position) and each one capable of bombarding a fixed set of ground territories (f.e. marked with "a", the next "b"). The more airdominance fields you have , the more airdominance you have..

Your gameconcept makes it this a grabbing game between nazi and soviet commanders (and 2 polish outside their own territory???).
Please bring it back to something more akind to what it was back then : nazi troops on the left (and some from the north)., polish troops at the border and center..and (only at later stage) soviet troops from the east.

:-s

and

ah..so it's the funny eagle in the center that is the crux for attacking otzher commanders (who the hell is that tchec commander in the south??). Not immediately clear in the legend.

Now I see what the gameconept is..hmmm, nay.
It is very hard to race from a commander to the Warschau center..then you'd supposed to have enough resources left to attack a commander's heart position (bulking with troops of course)..IF the first is lucky to succeed to eliminate one other commander, he has almost NO RESOURCES left,and a THIRD commander throws in his troops on warschau and knocks out the first... and so it goes like a chain reaction.
Not nice game play..


Why not this idea:

Three (or four) Nazi commanders starting from Germany.. and four Polish commanders INSIDE Poland.

Soviet commanders/armies are neutral.

Once a Nazi player reaches the east side of the map (a particular territory) that territory (in his colour) gets +2 auto troops (if player controls nazi_A and Soviet_b then +2...so not for the 'polish' players).
Like checkers..you reach the other side of the board and you get a bonus checker.
This simulates the effect that soviet forces would not start to invade before it was clear that the nazis would totally win poland.
The downside is that on this map the nazi and soviet troops have the same colour of player...
but effectively the poles fought againt the nazis and soviets..the soviets didnot fight the nazis.
The soviet troops acted like an accessory to the nazis..really..
So i think that is better for this particular 1939 map.

ONLY Having/or keeping Warzau should mean a relatively immense bonus...the poles keeping it means "motivation/spirit" (= bonustroops in warzau), for the nazi player having warzau means they "win", lifted spirit, time for reorganisation for final mopping up actions (= bonustroops at the starting position..but much less).
Finding the right balance in this bonus for each player is the trick.

Something like that.
:mrgreen:
Barbarus hic ego sum, quia non intellegor ulli.
User avatar
Major lt_oddball
 
Posts: 364
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:17 am
Location: Fortress Europe
Medals: 3
Standard Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V3- 27/1/09

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:51 pm

lt_oddball wrote:you complained that there wasn't enough comments?


When did i complain? I simply bumped the thread.


lt_oddball wrote:It the legend it is not explained how commanders outside polish borders can be attacked ..

How can there be one victor if every player keeps his commander ?????


If you look carefully it is explained, the Polish Air-Force Symbol in the centre of poland can bombard commanders outside Poland.

lt_oddball wrote:And why so strong +3 autodeployment..too much. :sick:


That's not that strong, there are hardly any bonuses compared to a normal map, so +3 i think suits the commanders well.

lt_oddball wrote:And this plane bombarding any place in poland..nay-nay too much emphasis on the airfields.
better use an idea I had before; separate airdomination "fields"; a string of 6 territories at the side or top of the map..each one linearly attcking the next (for dominance position) and each one capable of bombarding a fixed set of ground territories (f.e. marked with "a", the next "b"). The more airdominance fields you have , the more airdominance you have..


I don't want to make this map any more complicated than it has to be, adding anymore things i am afraid it would make the map to crowded than it already is. I have restricted the planes attacking power, by restricting them to only be able to attack Tanks.

lt_oddball wrote:Your gameconcept makes it this a grabbing game between nazi and soviet commanders (and 2 polish outside their own territory???).
Please bring it back to something more akind to what it was back then : nazi troops on the left (and some from the north)., polish troops at the border and center..and (only at later stage) soviet troops from the east.

:-s


This map does not depict the very beginning of the Invasion, it is depicting the invasion after it has mostly happened and when Nazi and Soviet forces we're occupying the entirety of Poland. the Polish territories outside Poland, are representative of Polish forces retreating to the South-East once the Soviets began to invade.

lt_oddball wrote:ah..so it's the funny eagle in the center that is the crux for attacking otzher commanders (who the hell is that tchec commander in the south??). Not immediately clear in the legend.


The "funny" eagle as you put it, is the symbol of the Polish Air-Force, and it represents the remaining air-force, and the rebellion. The Polish Commander outside of Poland, represents the retreating portion of the Polish Army, they are trying to get back into Poland and retake their country.

lt_oddball wrote:Now I see what the gameconept is..hmmm, nay(=no?).
It is very hard to race from a commander to the Warschau center..then you'd supposed to have enough resources left to attack a commander's heart position (bulking with troops of course)..IF the first is lucky to succeed to eliminate one other commander, he has almost NO RESOURCES left,and a THIRD commander throws in his troops on warschau and knocks out the first... and so it goes like a chain reaction.
Not nice game play..


I can say that whoever goes for the centre position on the first turn would have to be out of their mind. We can always increase the neutrals on that position to something like 10 to make it harder to attain in the first or second turns.

lt_oddball wrote:Why not this idea:

Three (or four) Nazi commanders starting from Germany.. and four Polish commanders INSIDE Poland.

Soviet commanders/armies are neutral.


The whole point is the invasion of Poland, the aim shouldn't be to get the Soviet commanders, the aim should be to invade poland, and capture the Polish commanders, hence why they are neutral. Then there is also the way for Poland to get rescued by taking the centre eagle and attacking the enemy commanders.

lt_oddball wrote:Once a Nazi player reaches the east side of the map (a particular territory) that territory (in his colour) gets +2 auto troops (if player controls nazi_A and Soviet_b then +2...so not for the 'polish' players).
Like checkers..you reach the other side of the board and you get a bonus checker.
This simulates the effect that soviet forces would not start to invade before it was clear that the nazis would totally win poland.
The downside is that on this map the nazi and soviet troops have the same colour of player...
but effectively the poles fought againt the nazis and soviets..the soviets didnot fight the nazis.
The soviet troops acted like an accessory to the nazis..really..
So i think that is better for this particular 1939 map.


Well this isn't really checkers, and again this is the invasion of Poland not the race to the other side of Poland and then the Soviets attack? And the Germans and Soviets actually did fight ;)

Wikipedia wrote:Germany captured the Soviet-occupied areas of Poland when it invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941, and lost the territory in 1944 to an advancing Red Army


lt_oddball wrote:ONLY Having/or keeping Warzau should mean a relatively immense bonus...the poles keeping it means "motivation/spirit" (= bonustroops in warzau), for the nazi player having warzau means they "win", lifted spirit, time for reorganisation for final mopping up actions (= bonustroops at the starting position..but much less).
Finding the right balance in this bonus for each player is the trick.


I might lower the auto-deploy on the starting positions to +2, as well as the Polish Commanders within Poland, Holding the Polish Air-Force gett's a +5 bonus which is pretty immense.

Thanks for commenting ;)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby miniwally on Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:47 pm

wasn't poland the area france and britain defended as they knew germany were going to be attacked net so i suggest adding maybe a french and british commander it's a possible idea
User avatar
Corporal miniwally
 
Posts: 257
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:56 pm
Medals: 3
Standard Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (2)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:51 am

That was after the initial invasion by Germany and the Soviet's which is what this map depicts ;)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby MrBenn on Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:59 am

[Advanced Draft]
Image
Image
PB: 2661 | He's blue... If he were green he would die | No mod would be stupid enough to do that
User avatar
Lieutenant MrBenn
Retired Team Member
 
Posts: 7059
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:32 am
Location: Off Duty
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (3) Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3)
Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (2)
General Achievement (6) Clan Achievement (1) Map Contribution (7) Tournament Contribution (2) General Contribution (15)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:55 am

MrBenn wrote:[Advanced Draft]
Image


Thankyou ;)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby miniwally on Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:58 am

samuelc812 wrote:That was after the initial invasion by Germany and the Soviet's which is what this map depicts ;)


interesting ;)
User avatar
Corporal miniwally
 
Posts: 257
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:56 pm
Medals: 3
Standard Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (2)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby Qwert on Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:18 am

Well,from mine point of view,i belive that these map will be better to have Victory Objectives, for examle you can put that who conquer Warsaw and 3-4 larger town vin a game,instead these central territory who bombard all other German Generals. These i belive will be correct concept of Invasion of Poland 1939. These is how i see these map.
Image
NEW REVOLUTION-NEW RANKS PRESS THESE LINK viewtopic.php?f=471&t=47578&start=0
User avatar
Major Qwert
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 9175
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:07 pm
Location: VOJVODINA
Medals: 77
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1)
Fog of War Achievement (3) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (1) Tournament Achievement (5) General Achievement (3) Clan Achievement (6)
Training Achievement (2) Map Contribution (8) Tournament Contribution (22) General Contribution (4)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:21 am

Thanks qwert :) I was wondering when you would pop in 8-)
User avatar
Major samuelc812
 
Posts: 2931
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:56 am
Medals: 67
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (2)
Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (1)
Tournament Achievement (2) General Achievement (7) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (11)
General Contribution (8)

Re: WWII: The Invasion of Poland -V4- 7/2/09

Postby Qwert on Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:24 am

Well i have some experience in that area, if you research a little maybe you will find what whas town whas target in german plans,so you can take these towns for objectives, also you can do that for soviet side,and maybe in that way you can have two objectives like i have in Europe 1914.
Image
NEW REVOLUTION-NEW RANKS PRESS THESE LINK viewtopic.php?f=471&t=47578&start=0
User avatar
Major Qwert
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 9175
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:07 pm
Location: VOJVODINA
Medals: 77
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1)
Fog of War Achievement (3) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (1) Tournament Achievement (5) General Achievement (3) Clan Achievement (6)
Training Achievement (2) Map Contribution (8) Tournament Contribution (22) General Contribution (4)

PreviousNext

Return to The Atlas

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron
Login