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by **LED ZEPPELINER** on Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:51 pm

GrimReaper. wrote:I REFUSE TON SERVE ON JURY DUTY
'NO JURIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STRIKE
STRIKE I SAY

then you don't have to

by **The Neon Peon** on Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:57 pm

I am opposed to the jury system very strongly, however I would change my mind if there were a simple check added: any cartographer will override the jury.

This means that the jury still functions and helps the map improve, but if the jury says the map should go on, but a professional cartographer disagrees, then the map stays.

by **WidowMakers** on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:28 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:I am opposed to the jury system very strongly, however I would change my mind if there were a simple check added: any cartographer will override the jury.

This means that the jury still functions and helps the map improve, but if the jury says the map should go on, but a professional cartographer disagrees, then the map stays.

Please define professional cartographer

In my opinion, the jury will be filled with people who have proven themselves capable of understanding and evaluating maps. A jury should never be used to alter the purpose or original intent of the map. It should be there to focus and direct an y last minute tweaks and cleanups that would make the map better.

If a jury could be overridden by a "professional cartographer" then they serve no purpose.
Thats like asking the defendant if they like the jury's verdict. If they don't (i.e. guilty verdict) they can ignore it and decide for themselves.

by **sailorseal** on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:33 pm

May i remind you I was on a jury

by **The Neon Peon** on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:57 pm

WidowMakers wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:I am opposed to the jury system very strongly, however I would change my mind if there were a simple check added: any cartographer will override the jury.

This means that the jury still functions and helps the map improve, but if the jury says the map should go on, but a professional cartographer disagrees, then the map stays.

Please define professional cartographer

In my opinion, the jury will be filled with people who have proven themselves capable of understanding and evaluating maps. A jury should never be used to alter the purpose or original intent of the map. It should be there to focus and direct an y last minute tweaks and cleanups that would make the map better.

If a jury could be overridden by a "professional cartographer" then they serve no purpose.
Thats like asking the defendant if they like the jury's verdict. If they don't (i.e. guilty verdict) they can ignore it and decide for themselves.

You are going by the assumption that all juries are good, are capable of evaluating maps etc. What if they are not? then will we have some map that still needs some fixes get quenched?

Also, what if the jury can be overridden by the mods (or some people like you and cairns)? That does not mean that they will be ignored on everything they say. The jury makes some decisions, proposes some changes to the map and does their job. But what if the cartographers know that one of the changes makes the map worse? Does the fact that they veto that one change to the map make the jury useless?

The way I am proposing is that the jury's job is to look at the map, find the problems, and propose solutions. The reason the jury is good is because the people in it actually spend time looking at the map and writing comments on everything they see. I do not, however, visualize a jury as in control of the map and when it gets moved etc. I visualize them as a group of people who are asked to point out the problems in a map and offer solutions, but that does not mean that if the cartographers disagree that their word has to be followed.