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Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Fri May 22, 2009 9:21 pm

hey guys,

I have an idea for a tournament which is going to be really interesting. What I need is individuals (or bring your team of 3) for my games. They will involve a bit of a twist to the game. A randomly generated player from either team is going to be a spy for his/her opponents. The spy's teamates won't know which of the players is the spy. The team of 3 which doesn't contain the spy (which has the spy working for them) will know who the spy is after X amount of turns (set by me).
Therefore, the spy will want his normal team to lose, so it is essentially 4 v 2. guys, i'm not sure if it will work, so please join in and we can tweak it so we can develop my upcoming tournament.

Conditions: Triples, sequential, sunny, no spoils, chained
map: USA New England

If you want to be a tester, reply or PM me. Once I have two teams we can start a game.

Game 1
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Game 2
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Game 3
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Once a game is ready to go, i'll ask one of the participators to create the game, then i will use random.org to determine which player will be the spy. Then i'll PM the team that doesn't contain the spy and inform them which of their opponents is the spy after X turns (for starters i'll make it after 6 turns).
Any questions??

Cheers. ofthe

EDIT: Now I have decided there will be two spies, one on each team. Teams will be 4v4. Also, we're going to try it foggy and non-foggy, just to see which way works best.
Also, because some players will win the tournament game but lose actual points, because they were a spy or whatever, there will definately have to be a pize for the winner...
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Woodruff on Fri May 22, 2009 9:27 pm

I don't want in, but I do think it's a very interesting concept, so I have a question for you to think about...how will the spy see anything on the game-map? He'll be as blind as his teammates. Worse, he also won't have access to the chat of the team he actually wants to win (the team of 4 players).

I'm not sure how logistically this can be overcome.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Fri May 22, 2009 9:34 pm

Woodruff wrote:I don't want in, but I do think it's a very interesting concept, so I have a question for you to think about...how will the spy see anything on the game-map? He'll be as blind as his teammates. Worse, he also won't have access to the chat of the team he actually wants to win (the team of 4 players).

I'm not sure how logistically this can be overcome.


The game-map? It's sunny, he'll see everything like a normal player. That's true, he won't access his teammates chat, but once his teammates know that he is the spy, he can send PMs to them if they really want to contact him. Otherwise, he doesn't have that facility. Makes it more realistic, don't ya think? In real life, it is hard to contact the spy without the enemy noticing...
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby jpcloet on Fri May 22, 2009 9:35 pm

Did you clear this with a TD?

Unless you state clearly what the spy can and cannot do, this is a predefined secret diplomacy and not allowed.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Fri May 22, 2009 9:40 pm

jpcloet wrote:Did you clear this with a TD?

Unless you state clearly what the spy can and cannot do, this is a predefined secret diplomacy and not allowed.



Well, no. I haven't asked a TD yet, but I suppose, once it's time to do so, I'll have to inform them. The tourney participants will know very clearly how the games are played so it's not like i'll be cheating anybody. Everybody will know the idea of the game will be about inconspicuously helping the other team (if you're the spy).
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby astronautg117 on Fri May 22, 2009 9:44 pm

I'll help test
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Fri May 22, 2009 9:45 pm

thanks, updated
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby awell007 on Sat May 23, 2009 12:04 am

I'll test.
What's another loss...

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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby BaldAdonis on Sat May 23, 2009 12:11 am

If you do this, you probably shouldn't allow the spy to send/receive messages from the other team. Real spies don't have contact with home base until they're through.

I don't see how it will make a difference whether or not anyone knows who the spy is. The best thing for the spy to do will be to kill his teammates, and with only three people playing, it's unlikely anyone will be sharing troops, so he might as well start killing them right away. Then there's really no chance for the team with the defector to win. You might as well just set up 6 player doubles and tell two teams not to attack each other.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 23, 2009 12:12 am

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Woodruff wrote:I don't want in, but I do think it's a very interesting concept, so I have a question for you to think about...how will the spy see anything on the game-map? He'll be as blind as his teammates. Worse, he also won't have access to the chat of the team he actually wants to win (the team of 4 players).

I'm not sure how logistically this can be overcome.


The game-map? It's sunny, he'll see everything like a normal player. That's true, he won't access his teammates chat, but once his teammates know that he is the spy, he can send PMs to them if they really want to contact him. Otherwise, he doesn't have that facility. Makes it more realistic, don't ya think? In real life, it is hard to contact the spy without the enemy noticing...


I guess if it's sunny, I don't really see what the spy's purpose would be. Foggy it would make more sense to me, as the spy would then have "eyes where the others don't". But only having access to the other team's chat...well, you can generally tell what they're talking about in a sunny game simply by watching their moves, can't you?

Not trying to throw a wrench in, because I do actually like the idea...I think it's very creative. But I'm just trying to help overcome a potential pitfall.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Night Strike on Sat May 23, 2009 12:15 am

ofthe wrote:
jpcloet wrote:Did you clear this with a TD?

Unless you state clearly what the spy can and cannot do, this is a predefined secret diplomacy and not allowed.



Well, no. I haven't asked a TD yet, but I suppose, once it's time to do so, I'll have to inform them. The tourney participants will know very clearly how the games are played so it's not like i'll be cheating anybody. Everybody will know the idea of the game will be about inconspicuously helping the other team (if you're the spy).


I'm glad I dropped by. JP is correct, this is not allowed in a tournament, and probably shouldn't be allowed in Callouts either.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby owenator on Sat May 23, 2009 12:18 am

Very intriguing idea. But, wouldn't that mean that the 'spy' would eventually suicide on his teammates? And as someone already mentioned, how to define how the team game chat to work? It could possibly get out of hand whereby that spy would possibly PM his actual team for advice or 'insider' information. Like I said, it IS an intriguing idea and I wish the best of luck to you.

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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Duke of Paddy on Sat May 23, 2009 1:01 am

Hey Ofthe wouldn't the spy also lose points on his profile?
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby Duke of Paddy on Sat May 23, 2009 1:02 am

cheers for the call out I'm interested to see how this goes, let me know what TD say.
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Re: Searching for testers for my tournament!!!!

Postby ofthe on Sat May 23, 2009 4:22 am

Duke, since when have you been worried about losing points, though?? :P

Well done awell007, that's the spirit

@BaldAdonis: Yeah, but saying to particpants "Don't send messages to your team if you're the spy" isn't going to stop them doing it, you see?
OK, let's pretend in turn 1, spy starts trying to kill his teamates (his own team). Immediately, they will recognise him as the spy and start attacking him, then win as soon as they wipe him. Anyway, I'm going to change the rules so it's 4v4 with 1 spy on either team. Therefore, the 4 won't overpower the 2, it will be an even 4v4 match...

@Woodruff: The spy's purpose is to destroy the team he infiltrated when the time is right. Although, I guess making it foggy would be more interesting.

@owenator: Suicide? yes, if you mean, eventually start attacking his teamates, yes, he would. Once the spy, or now, either spy is destroyed, the game is over, even if both teams still contain players. At that point, the host (me) will tell who's left to start killing each other as if it was a normal game, and points are there to be won, even though that end result won't have an impact on the tournament result.
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