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Viking Invasion-Map II: The Other Resurrection

Postby Balsiefen on Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:59 pm

Viking Invasion

Medieval Denmark II
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Discussion
-Does the gameplay work? Is anyone at a specific disadvantage?
-Anything else that may cross your minds.

Recent Changes
-Holding Norge and/or Danmark now cancels the decay on fleets
-Offa's Dyke added to prevent Wales and Mercia from killing each other on the first time and to reduce Mercian disadvantage from being surrounded on four sides.
-altered a few neutrals to help give Mercia an easier time of things (specifically Wreocan Saete 4->3; Gwent 2->3; Pec Saetan 3->4

Description
Ever had one of those days when you've nothing really to do? Well I had one yesterday. A random idea came into my head for a map and, as I often do, I sketched it down in paint. Then I thought, "might as well have something I can build on" so I did it in gimp. Then I wanted to test out a few graphics ideas that popped into my head and then it kind of snowballed.

Anyways, it is the 9th century: Since the retreat of Rome, Britain has been a warground as kings of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Picts, Scots, Irish and the unfortunate Romano-British remnant battle to become the Bretwalda-the undisputed king of the British Isles. But from the east, a new threat rises as Scandinavian Vikings begin to tire of simply raiding the coasts of Britain and start thinking of settling and building empires in these comparability pleasant isles.

Each player starts with a capital-five in Britain, one in Ireland and two in Scandinavia(each being the heartland of a major power)-from which they expand their kingdoms until they come into contact with each other (a process which I have slowed down slightly by putting larger numbers of neutrals on the borders). From then it is expand and conquer. :mrgreen:

Stats
56 territories
-8 Starting positions
-48 Neutral territories
-11 Decay territories
10 bonus giving continents (not including Kernow or Fleets)
Small Map Size: 630x600
Large Map Size: N/A

Older Maps
[url=http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6720/vikinginvasion1.jpg]Viking Invasion I[/bigimg]
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Teflon Kris on Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:14 pm

Nice first draft =D>

Kind of reminds me of another map :lol:

Anyway, I like the gameplay style - starting bases are proving very popular.

The Danish starts are at a disadvantage with fewer terits to attack (esp. with the bonus building system a la New World) and more decay fleets to get through. I'm sure there will be a solution - something that doesn't need to be sorted urgently though.

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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Balsiefen on Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:45 am

DJ Teflon wrote:Nice first draft =D>

Kind of reminds me of another map :lol:

Anyway, I like the gameplay style - starting bases are proving very popular.

The Danish starts are at a disadvantage with fewer terits to attack (esp. with the bonus building system a la New World) and more decay fleets to get through. I'm sure there will be a solution - something that doesn't need to be sorted urgently though.

:D

Thanks :D I tried to make the gameplay style as unique as possible-I think only feudal war has the same bonus system and starting positions at the moment but the fleets should add another aspect to the gameplay as well as all the continents being smaller.

I know it's similar to Danelaw but I think that the two maps can coexist rather well as there is significantly different gameplay, even if the theme is somewhat similar. Also may remind you of this map which could be said to be the earlier form of Viking Invasion.

Actually I was wondering if there's an XML feature that says "If you hold territory X decay does not happen to you" That would nicely simulate the superior Viking longboats. I'll look in to it.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby el-presidente on Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:42 am

I like this, especialy the feudal war like setup. Why not have the danish and norse settlements attack the ships since they would most likely sail out of the settlements, not the territory next it it.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Balsiefen on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:28 am

el-presidente wrote:I like this, especialy the feudal war like setup. Why not have the danish and norse settlements attack the ships since they would most likely sail out of the settlements, not the territory next it it.

I might do that, it may also help with the disadvantage thing as it'll mean the Viking factions will have one territory less to deal with before landing in Britain.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Rakio on Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:58 pm

It looks nice and simple enough. Clear instructions + clean graphics.
But Im concerned that starting in Danmark or Norge might not be balance since they can max give you +1 bonus and then you have to fight fleet without gaining any bonuses. To offset this maybe the those kings could gain bonuses for every other ship owned as well. A dont decay if you own X would be good here.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Teflon Kris on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:01 pm

Sorry - I'm pretty sure that 'no decay is X held' doesn't exist.

How about the Danish and Norge having several (non-decay) ships for their fleets up there? Those fleets could be part of the local build-your-own bonus.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Evil DIMwit on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:27 pm

Norge's worse off than Denmark, I should not -- Denmark has East Engle to go for for a close bonus, but Norge has to hope that Scone or Bamburgh aren't too successful.

DJ Teflon wrote:Sorry - I'm pretty sure that 'no decay is X held' doesn't exist.

Decay's just a negative bonus, isn't it? Can't you just override it with a zero bonus for holding the extra territory?
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Rakio on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:33 pm

Im aware of that the dont decay if X is owned function is in place. But as Evil is one to, there should be a work around.
Maybe not from the actual decay, but atleast offset it by giving deploy bonus.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Evil DIMwit on Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:12 pm

Evil DIMwit wrote:Decay's just a negative bonus, isn't it? Can't you just override it with a zero bonus for holding the extra territory?


Wait, never mind. That would mean an auto-deploy bonus for holding multiple territories, and that, to my knowledge, though not a bad idea, doesn't exist. The best you could do is offset it with regular deploy, and while that's a handy thing for the player, you'd have to somehow justify it to the theme.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Balsiefen on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:24 am

How about "Hold Norge or Danmark and gain +1 for every 2 fleets owned"

And in my opinion, Norge is better off than danmark as east anglia will have competition from mercia while the orcades and innse gall is hard for alba to reach.
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Postby Rakio on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:37 am

I dont suppose you can autodeploy on Y if you own X.

Otherwise the solution suggested is only way to go.
But maybe 2 troops for 3 regions? To balance the decay + giving the vikings some more offensive power.
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Re: Viking Invasion <-take a look :)

Postby Balsiefen on Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:25 am

Rakio wrote:I dont suppose you can autodeploy on Y if you own X.

Otherwise the solution suggested is only way to go.
But maybe 2 troops for 3 regions? To balance the decay + giving the vikings some more offensive power.


Possibly may be a little steep as all the other nations have larger numbers to get through before they reach the sea-the Vikings are going to have the run of the seas for the first few turns and they could take over quite a lot of the ships in that time.

And the autodeply solution would be brilliant if we can get it to work.
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Postby Rakio on Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:31 am

There is most certainly a possibilty since it already exist in City Mogul.
There you get autodeply instead of just deploy if you own a certain set of colour. If you own the colour's home, the shop will auto-deploy. Otherwise it will give Deployment bonus.
So there is a way.

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Also if you think 2 for 3 is too much, you could make it scaleable. Start with 1 for 2 until 4 and then add some extra bonus. 5 Ships would give 3 troops.
But this is getting complicated and would require extra legend text, which seems unnecessary.
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Postby Balsiefen on Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:03 pm

Rakio wrote:There is most certainly a possibilty since it already exist in City Mogul.
There you get autodeply instead of just deploy if you own a certain set of colour. If you own the colour's home, the shop will auto-deploy. Otherwise it will give Deployment bonus.
So there is a way.

Edit:

Also if you think 2 for 3 is too much, you could make it scaleable. Start with 1 for 2 until 4 and then add some extra bonus. 5 Ships would give 3 troops.
But this is getting complicated and would require extra legend text, which seems unnecessary.


Well that would work very nicely. :) If the decay is taken out of the picture for the Vikings, perhaps that will mean the bonus for the ships is irrelevent or can at least be reduced to 1 per three ships held- otherwise the vikings could be overpowered as all other factions may be able to break this bonus but they won't be able to hold it.
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