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Map of European Cities

Postby Scania N113 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:18 am

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Dear all,

I saw that there was a map of World Cities in the Map Foundry forum, and an idea got into my brain. Now I have made a map on European cities, and here is the first version of this map, please take a look.

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Please give me some comments, so I can know where to modify the map. Thank you very much!

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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:53 am

Dear Scania,

I actually like this map quite a bit. Not that we don't have enough maps of Europe, but there don't seem to be too many maps in the 70-80 territory range without major gimmicks, so the gameplay's a welcome sight. That said:

1) This picture is big. Like, seriously big. Does not fit on most screens big. That alone makes analyzing this map tricky.

2) You have a bonus for capital cities but you don't indicate which cities are capitals -- which, alas, is not common knowledge.

3) How many territories is that? 72? You might want to break the continents up a bit into smaller pieces. Your smallest continent here is as large as the classic map's Asia and nobody can hold Asia. Certainly don't mash it up into eighteen South Americas but you probably want at least twice as many continents there

4) In some places -- mostly in the center -- the names get very cluttered and it's not obvious which name belongs to which circle.

5) No love for Istanbul? Even just the half that is on the European continent is bigger than most of the cities you have there.

That's about it for now. This does look like a map I might want to play, so don't disappoint.
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby sinctheassasin on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:20 am

Welcome to the draft room! It's always nice to see new faces :D

I really like the idea! But the map size is the biggest issue, the max is supposed to be 800 by 840, so put it in check there :D

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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:51 am

Hi Scania N113,

some quick suggestions:

Graphics
First of all, the map should not to be larger than 840x800 (Big version )and 630x600 (small version).
Then, the images is very pixelous, what graphic program do you use? (just curious)

Gameplay
I suggest you to reduce the number of the cities, maybe this list can help you (40 cities) ;)
European Cities (population)
* 1 Mosca 14.470.318
* 2 Istanbul 12.573.836
* 3 Londra 7.556.900
* 4 San Pietroburgo 4.580.620
* 5 Berlino 3.420.786
* 6 Madrid 3.232.463
* 7 Roma 2.715.318
* 8 Kiev 2.700.000
* 9 Parigi 2.167.994
* 10 Baku 2.036.000
* 11 Bucarest 1.931.830
* 12 Varsavia 1.800.821
* 13 Amburgo 1.773.218
* 14 Budapest 1.702.297
* 15 Vienna 1.631.082
* 16 Barcellona 1.595.110
* 17 Charkiv 1.461.000
* 18 Praga 1.372.975
* 19 Monaco 1.311.573
* 20 Nižnij Novgorod 1.311.252
* 21 Milano 1.295.208
* 22 Tbilisi 1.260.000
* 23 Sofia 1.241.878
* 24 Kazan' 1.180.238
* 25 Belgrado 1.182.000
* 26 Samara 1.133.400
* 27 Jerevan 1.104.900
* 28 Odessa 1.080.000
* 29 Rostov sul Don 1.068.267
* 30 Ufa 1.029.400
* 31 Dnipropetrovs'k 1.017.681
* 32 Perm 1.001.653
* 33 Birmingham 1.001.200
* 34 Colonia 995.397
* 35 Napoli 967.085
* 36 Torino 910.461
* 37 Marsiglia 820.900
* 38 Stoccolma 798.715
* 39 Zagabria 784.900
* 40 Atene 745.514

Then try to have smaller zones, generally when a zone has more than 8/9 regions, it is only cause of headache. I don't think that a player could try to take and hold a bonus on this map.
Finally, i like the idea to have a european map with cities instead of countries, but you have to consider to work out a wonderful gameplay, because we already have 2 maps on europe and it won't be easy for you to find support for this map (required).

Again, i know you're working on another project (baltic states), i suggest you to focus on one map at a time because (and I speak from personal experience) is not easy to continue with two maps at the same time, specially if you're not an expert mapmaker ;)

Anyway, i'm goign to move this map to the ideas subforum untill your dratf image will not meet the criteria listed below:

Draft images should not be larger than 630x600px (small image) or 840x800px (large image).

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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:52 am

[Moved]

This map has been moved into the Ideas subforum, as it does not meet the criteria for a Working Draft:



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To be considered a Working Draft a project must be more than just an idea; a Draft should have a clear thematic focus, a plan for how the gameplay will work, and a basic image which should include:
    1. Territory Labels - temporary names or numbers will suffice, and are always open to change.
    2. Borders/Paths/Impassables - it should be made clear where territories do/do not connect.
    3. Bonus Areas - where combinations/groups of territories will award a bonus, this should be indicated on the map.
    4. Legend - speculative bonus values and explanations of any attack rules or gameplay features.
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby captainwalrus on Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:34 am

There is already a rail Europe that has the main European cities, and is more unique. I don't like to discourage people from making maps, but I don't really think this is "‘inherently unique either in gameplay, location, or theme." That isn't to say it won't work, you just will need to make it work.
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby Scania N113 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:15 pm

I will put this map here first because regarding what thenobodies80 said, I have another map going on in the drafting room. Right after that map has a new update, I will pick this map up again. I will give more details in the next update.
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Map of European Cities [OFFICIAL VERSION]

Postby Scania N113 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:49 am

Hello, I decided to pick this map up again because I have already published the latest version of the other map. This is the second version.

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In this map, there are eight bonus regions. Players will get extra troops if they hold an entire region. Also, players can get extra troops for holding capital cities, which are marked with different colours. Note that there is a special case in this map. For holding the bonus area Yugoslavia, players can get 4 extra troops because all the cities in this region are capital cities at the same time. Please read through the map for more detailed information.

Due to the fact that there is not enough space in this map, some names on this map is being shortened. But do not worry, I will post a list here, which will include both the short forms and the complete forms of the names of the cities.

On the other hand, the most special point of this map is that the lands are based on points but not areas. Also, I know that there is another map on European cities which is named Rail Europe and it looks more interesting. However I think that the background of this map is totally different from that one.

Firstly the selling point of this map is its reality. This map is totally based on present and real geography. The main evidence is that there are borders of countries here, and the bonus areas are divided with the strong support of historical facts. Secondly, there are some regions here which are not included in Rail Europe. For example, the cities in Scandinavia. Thirdly, there are more lands in this map, and Conquer Club obviously needs maps with more lands.

I have explained all the important points. Therefore, now it is your turn to explain yours. Thank you very much!
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:15 am

[Merged] with the old 'Map of Europen Cities' thread.

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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby sinctheassasin on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:54 am

Hmmm, I like big maps, but here is my complaint:

it's just too hard to read in some places,

you either haveto tone down the territory count, or maybe
do some under the table barganing with the foundry mods for bigger size limits.
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby Scania N113 on Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:56 pm

For the next version of this map, I am going to break up the bonus regions because it will be hard for players to hold too many lands for just having a few extra troops. On the other hand I will find ways to make the map become clearer, for examplese cancel some lands which are not very significant or increase the size of the words.

However the most important things is that I have to get more ideas and suggestions you. Lastly I promise all of you that the next version will be published in the coming weekend (12/9/2009).
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Map of European Cities [OFFICIAL VERSION]

Postby Scania N113 on Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:27 am

Hello, long time no see. I have a new update for this map.

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large map (827 X 648) (V1.0.3L)
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Changes made:
(1) changing the layout of the map
(2) breaking down the original bonus regions
(3) deleting some lines in order to make the map clearer
(4) changing the color of the armies circle to make it more visible

This is all. Please continue to give comments. Thank you very much!
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby Evil DIMwit on Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:51 pm

I like the 8-bit feel of the map but it might seem a bit more cohesive if the title, key and mini-map were done in the same pixely style.
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby Scania N113 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:43 am

Hello, could all of you give me more comments, so I can give another better update very soon. Thank you very much!
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Re: Map of European Cities

Postby sam_levi_11 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:51 pm

Im not sure why Germany is worth just 4... Explanation?

Also to make iberia less of a bottle neck you could add an attack route from barcelona to a new city, maybe either Cagliari in Sardinia, or Palermo in Scily.

I personally would have them both if it could fit, as i think it would make italy more significant and make iberia less easy to get, as you wouldnt just be protecting Andorra La Vella.

Or is Andorra La Vella counted in france? If so nevermind :P
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