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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Mr Changsha on Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:29 am

I think they should remove shapes and art. I'd like to get all my classic games back under 1 stat. Already have a split on shapes (which includes the old classic game), then art, if we then add a third, then I am stuck with what is in all the essentials the same game split over three maps. It may be a 'nerd's opinion'..but you see if I care!

Beyond that, shapes has always looked like hell and art, to my mind, also looks like it was knocked up over a working lunch with a few good bottles of wine. Neither are anywhere near the quality the CC Community has come to expect.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby LFAW on Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:36 am

I second Changsha.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby MrBenn on Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:46 am

Just to clarify, it is only Classic Shapes that is being revamped and replaced. Classic Art will remain alongside the new Classic - at least in the short term.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Mr Changsha on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:48 am

MrBenn wrote:Just to clarify, it is only Classic Shapes that is being revamped and replaced. Classic Art will remain alongside the new Classic - at least in the short term.


Seriously, why and on what basis? Once we have a decent classic back, what's the point of 'art'? It is bloody annoying for team games (assuming you and your team are not lovers of art history), looks like hell and, as it has the same gameplay as the 'new classic'...get rid of it!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Hatchman on Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:01 am

Great to hear Shapes will be trashed and even better that Sully's map will be given such an exalted status. =D>
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby b00060 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:35 am

NOOOOOOO. Classic Shapes and art are perfect!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby hoytdwow on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:15 am

does the change also involve fixing the dice?

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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:57 am

MrBenn wrote:Just to clarify, it is only Classic Shapes that is being revamped and replaced. Classic Art will remain alongside the new Classic - at least in the short term.



That definitely sucks. Take a look at the number games that have been played on shapes as opposed to art. Art loses, hands down. Leave shapes up.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Hatchman on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:17 am

mpjh wrote:
MrBenn wrote:Just to clarify, it is only Classic Shapes that is being revamped and replaced. Classic Art will remain alongside the new Classic - at least in the short term.



That definitely sucks. Take a look at the number games that have been played on shapes as opposed to art. Art loses, hands down. Leave shapes up.


Shapes is hideous and an embarrassment to the site :lol:
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:41 am

Let the players decide, put all three up and let them run for 6 months. The two with the largest number of plays over that period, stay. Should be an interesting battle.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby sully800 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:49 am

The comparison between shapes and art doesn't work because all of the Classic games got added as Classic shapes.

Comparing active games, there are 1915 games on Shapes and 517 games on Art.
Comparing waiting games, there are 211 games on Shapes and 81 games on Art.

So it does seem that Shapes is more popular than Art, but Shapes is also the default map which might have a strong effect on popularity. In any case, I would be fine with Shapes and Art staying live but that decision will be made by lackattack.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby 72o on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:43 am

So is world cities dead?
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:59 am

Shapes is a great teaching tool. So easy to teach on!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Mageplunka69 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:04 am

can u teach me to play on it sometime, i could use some ideas
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby spiesr on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:24 am

You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:33 am

spiesr wrote:You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.



What is Easier for a student to learn on... Attack N5 to N4 or... Attack Novosibirsk to Chengdu The 2nd one will have them looking for about 3 minutes just to find the place.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Falkomagno on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:47 am

yes yes yes yes yessssssssssssss



I love it.


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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:49 am

Yes, shapes is definitely easier to teach on. We could have the contest between the maps by measuring the usage from the date the new map is introduced, thus avoiding legacy count.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby obliterationX on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:49 am

I've had my eye on this map in the foundry for quite a while -- it looks great! A perfect replacement for classic.

Nice work. ;)
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby trinicardinal on Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:52 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
spiesr wrote:You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.



What is Easier for a student to learn on... Attack N5 to N4 or... Attack Novosibirsk to Chengdu The 2nd one will have them looking for about 3 minutes just to find the place.


It's probably take me longer than that just to ask if I should attack from Novosibirsk to Chengdu :lol:

Bruce has a big point there... Keep all 3!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby reelkmcn on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:49 pm

It's a long overdue and welcome sight to see a new Classic Map. Great work so far, my compliments to the mapmakers. This is the map CC is made of! =D>
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby soccerghost on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:32 pm

looks good!!!!! :D :D :D

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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:22 pm

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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:24 pm

The boundaries need to be thinner and sharper; and get rid of the clutter in the ocean. Just the facts, mam, just the facts. The flags only take up space and make the map smaller for play -- dump them.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby sully800 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:32 pm

mpjh wrote:The boundaries need to be thinner and sharper; and get rid of the clutter in the ocean. Just the facts, mam, just the facts. The flags only take up space and make the map smaller for play -- dump them.


The flags don't make the map smaller at all, considering the 630 px width limit is the limiting factor. The map already has a skewed perspective (it is slightly taller than it should be, to give more space to the land mass) so vertical constraints are definitely not a problem.

Please make your comments in the map thread itself though, so I can keep track of everyone's opinion in one place.
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