Tournament Discussion - Game Creation

[max is gr8]

I'd suggest 3 subforums maximum:

Team Tournaments
Singles Elimination (Elimination meaning it follows a bracket (or could be shown as one) with a double triple etc. elimination)
Other --- (Leagues, Ladders, Building Ones, Tournament Tactics not just win as many games as possible [of course winning is necessary but you know what I mean] and so on.)

There are few tournaments in the Team but if I wanted a team tournament it'd be nice to head to one point to see it.
Singles Elimination are the main group, how many tournaments follow the bracket tradition?
Other --- Again a quiet section but would appease the people who want more complicated tournament or wish to be more committed to a tournament

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

We had some good ideas in the other thread and it's time to split that discussion off into a new thread to get it better focused.

There is some concern about "flooding" the Create/Join forum with numerous tournaments which makes it harder for players to find tournaments they want to play in, and harder for new organizers to have their tournaments found.

Some of the options that were thrown out to help combat this include:
- Limiting the amount of new tournaments that can be made by one organizer (yet they can run as many as they want, provided all are being statused) bad idea
- Creating sub-forums based on the type of tournament (ie: 1v1, Free-for-all, Team, Other) good idea
- Using "tags" in tournament names to distinguish what type of tournament is being created good idea

I've been asked to make sure that this discussion stays on topic and focused. Let's please refrain from trolling or flaming. Remember, this discussion is to help the tournament community as a whole. So please let us know your thoughts in a civil and coherent manner.

[MudPuppy]

I prefer the one Create/Join a Tournament subforum we currently have to the proposals calling for the creation of multiple subforums. I like to play in a variety of tournaments and prefer the convenience of having them all listed in one place. Having to go through 3 or 4 subforums in order to see what's currently being offered will just be more work. It's very rare that more than 10 new tournaments are added on any given day and I can simply scan through the creation dates of the posts to spot the newly created tourneys. There are only 3 pages in that subforum now even with the recent mass tourney creations that sparked these discussions. Typically, it sits at 2 pages at any given time. There really is no need at all, with this level of volume, to splinter the subforum into different categories... whatever those categories may be.

[b00060]

I am sorry, but I still find it hard to believe that sifting through 2 pages of actively recruiting tournaments is a bad thing.

[Bones2484]

I am sorry, but I still find it hard to believe that sifting through 2 pages of actively recruiting tournaments is a bad thing.

And at the very least you don't think putting in very simple tags in the title wouldn't help people find tournaments they are interested in?

[PaulusH]

I still see no reason to change the current policy.
Some come with the argument that CC is growing; but at the scoreboard the number of active plays is 80 pages for a long time already. (Sorry, but I check that information simply because I need it at preparing an future tournament).

Since I started with tournaments there have been several times where there is an increase in tournaments while in other periods the number to join is relatively low. Basically nothing special now, except that there are people that would like a change.

It looks like that there are 3 options given, but actually none of them fits with the tournament system. The tag is already recommended in the tournament handbook. Upgrade that from recommended to needed takes out a lot of fun surrounding the tournaments.
-Limiting the amount of tournaments: is already rejected in another discussion.
-Creating subforums or using tags both suffer with the same problem: somebody need to clasify the tournament before it is started and reduces the freedom of the organizers. Using a tag in the title is already recommended, but not directly needed. That gives me the freedom to put in tags that are less common (like "5x5 windmill"), people that don't understand it might still guess a large part of it.
Suppose I put in as tag "5-player games" and mix in some triples or doubles as I sometimes do in my typical 5-player tournaments, then suddenly it is no longer allowed because of the used tag. Suppose you make subforums for "teams", for "free for all" and for "Singles", where should I put my team-tournaments that are free for all and where people enter as singles.
In other words It would take out the fun of creating tournaments.

It would also take out the fun for new people . One of the best replies in the other tread was

Well, this whole thing is a disappointment to me. I'm a new guy to tournament life. I think Bex and I joined one of JR24's dubs awhile back and I had a blast. I've been looking to branch out in my CC experience. So I said "yes" to a clan and "why the heck not" to a bunch of tourneys listed by 3 or 4 different organizers. I was even talking to suicidalsnowman over Christmas break about working together to come up with one of our own.

This thread (and I took the hour to read it all) has left me very disheartened. And a tournament that I was really looking forward to on Route 66 has been ditched (I really hope temporarily). That just sucks. I think I get the idea of the issues at hand. But I would like to say a few things as someone new to the tourney scene:

A. As I scrolled down the list I loved the variety. I absolutely loved it. I literally thought, "dang, this is awesome, look at all the choice."

B. When I saw multiple tourneys being offered by a few players I thought, "man, they are really supportive of this, how fantastic is that!"

C. I feel, as a novice to this aspect of what CC has to offer, that more is better. If there were fewer I would have hesitated in joining the 5 or 6 that I did this week out of concern that I was going to make a fool of myself among elite players who are crammed into far fewer games.

I hope you guys can work this out in an amiable way. I would hate to see this section crash and burn.

Meh. Not sure I added much here, but thanks for letting me share my thoughts.

E.

[Bones2484]

The tag is already recommended in the tournament handbook. Upgrade that from recommended to needed takes out a lot of fun surrounding the tournaments.

What do tags have anything to do with "fun" surrounding tournaments? Is it really less "fun" to give people an easier time of finding tournaments that they might enjoy? This point makes absolutely zero sense.

Suppose I put in as tag "5-player games" and mix in some triples or doubles as I sometimes do in my typical 5-player tournaments, then suddenly it is no longer allowed because of the used tag. Suppose you make subforums for "teams", for "free for all" and for "Singles", where should I put my team-tournaments that are free for all and where people enter as singles.

Huh? Why would you tag your tournament as "5 player games" if the tournament isn't all five player games?

[negoeien]

I thi k teh idea of a filter is also a possibility, the organizers who launch a serie of tournaments put a lot of time in creating them and organizing them and probably won't bother to define the tournaments. It could be something like search a certain game type but then exclusively for tournaments.
Just a thought.

[scottp]

filters is the best idea on this thread
tags is next
sub-forums may be the more effective than tags, but a little more work, so slightly behind or maybe tied with the tags idea

limiting TOs from providing MORE different OPTIONS is the worst idea and seems asinine to me.

[ingrates]I sure wish there were less flavors of beer in the beer aisle at my grocery store! It's such a pain walking all the way down that long row and seeing all those Mexican and German beers when all I really want is a Bud.[/ingrates]

[negoeien]

Filters aren't that hard to implement I think. And for those tournies that simply have a lot of different styles and do not fit a filther just name them other, and the ones searching for a more thoroughfull and difficult tournament should take the time to look in to those.
As I see know the problem is the easy , straightforward franchises which could be easily tagged. Seems they are almost the majority the other tags or filter options or whatever should catch your eye IF you are looking for it.

[Bones2484]

Filters seem like a great idea to me. Granted I'm not an expert on how these forums work, but how could they be implemented with the current software we have?

[negoeien]

Filters seem like a great idea to me. Granted I'm not an expert on how these forums work, but how could they be implemented with the current software we have?

exactly I'm not at all a foftware guy and know notting about programming but there are people here who could implement that feature I think , they just have to step up

[Hopscotcher]

I really in general don't see a problem with the way things are now::::::::::::::

Tags: Yeah sure, why not, but necessary? No. Required? No. I like my christmas presents still wrapped and I like clicking into a tourney not knowing all the ins and outs of it.

Filters? I don't even know what this would be, but there are very few 1 v 1 tournaments I even consider joining. I would like a way to bypass all of those if I wanted to. On the other hand, I can usually spot those without a Filter by using my common sense. Hmmmmmmmmm.... is my brain a filter?????????????

I have no difficulty sorting through the tournaments as is. In fact, I wish there was MORE tournaments. I wish there was MORE variety.

I think it is very easy in trying to make something better to make it worse. If you impose too many roadblocks, people simply won't bother.

I think there is definitely room for a society of TO learners sorta like Society of Cooks for people who might want to run one, but not know how it works.

Forever, I thought you had to be Premi to run tournaments because of game slots