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Postby Xyl on Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:06 pm

I'm not sure how kicking someone on the first turn makes them not want to come back. Surely, when they do come back, they'd have just as much fun joining another game using their now-free slot as they would trying to get a start in a game where everyone else has a lead of a turn or two? If points are an issue, this goes well with the "no points for new recruit deadbeats" idea.
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Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Sounds harsh I know, and I promise I did try and find a better way to say it. Having sad that I have noticed that a lot of the games I play with less than six players often include unrated players who sign up and never play. This drags the game out forever especially if there is more than one deadbeat in a single game which happens more than you might realize. Therefore, I would like to propose, if an unrated players signs up for a game and misses their first turn, after their 1st 24hour time limit expires, they are eliminated from the game after the first round.

This will improve the following aspects of the site by making it more attractive to play games with unranked players even if they deadbeat from the start

Also it will
- Speeds the game up for the rest of the players without wasting 3,6, or more days waiting for a deadbeat to be eliminated
- Encourages more rated players to play games with less than 6 players since the games will not drag on during the first several rounds waiting for the deadbeats non-starters to be eliminated
- Will help mitigate massive changes in strategy when a new player shows up after the second round with numerous reinforcements.
- Will keep unranked players who are trying to play from giving up because the games will provide more instant gratification due to increase in speed of round robin play
- Provides incentive to engage in the start of a game
- Unranked players will realized quickly they need to play or not sign up, providing more opportunity for other players who really want to play[/list]

I was not able to find discussion of this topic elsewhere, but if it was discussed and rejected I apologize for bringing it back up again.
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Re: Eliminate unrated plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby zimmah on Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:43 pm

don't be too harsh to newcomers, but on the other hand, they do indeed sometimes never show up at all.
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Re: Eliminate unrated plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:04 pm

Yeah I hear ya, not being harsh on newcomers, just suggesting moving the game past people who sign up out of curiosity but decide not to play.
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Postby Private Gump on Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:23 am

I'd agree with you on this. I'm a newbie and have already been in several games with multiple deadbeats, which is frustrating to no end. I'd add a couple suggestions to this. Perhaps having some means for a person to retire from a game, rather than just abandoning it and wasting 3 days of their opponents time waiting for a deadbeat to take a turn. It also would give an opportunity to honorably concede when a game is obviously over. Another related suggestion is for there to be a visible statistic for the number of games a person has been kicked out of, or even kick them out of all games.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Fuzzylogic99 on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:18 am

def frustrating but doing this will encourage farming,Yes we have rules against farming but
that does not mean that some players would not ways around them.I could think of a few
ways myself that I could get around the rule

Also something might of happened that made them leave miss the turn and come back later.
Im sure that it happens a lot less than the player missing all three turns but to the players
who accidentally miss their first turn this would be a bit unfair to them.

anyways I dont see Lacks buying into this idea
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Postby jefjef on Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:06 pm

I say eliminate players in manual deployment games if they miss there deploy. This will eliminate some questionable strategies.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:00 am

Fuzzylogic99 wrote:def frustrating but doing this will encourage farming,Yes we have rules against farming but
that does not mean that some players would not ways around them.I could think of a few
ways myself that I could get around the rule

Also something might of happened that made them leave miss the turn and come back later.
Im sure that it happens a lot less than the player missing all three turns but to the players
who accidentally miss their first turn this would be a bit unfair to them.

anyways I dont see Lacks buying into this idea

It doesn't strike me as too harsh to toss a new recruit out of a game for missing the first turn. Have the system send a PM (or even an email if enabled) explaining what happened. The new recruit can always join another game.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby max is gr8 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:31 am

jefjef wrote:I say eliminate players in manual deployment games if they miss there deploy. This will eliminate some questionable strategies.


Only if the player does not lose points you are at a disadvantage if you miss deployment in a manual game. So don't punish that
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Halmir on Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:46 am

I'd support this - I had one 8 player game with 4 deadbeats!! - but definitely needs an explanatory pm / email to them.

I think the problem is that quite a number of noobs will sign up and expect to be playing a game instantly (a la most other instant gratification vendors). It's been a while since I registered so can't remember if this was explained when I did sign up, but if not a few notes before the final "I accept the terms" button might be useful?

Or keep all noobs in a holding pen until they've completed their first few games :) If u wanted to be really nice, u could let them play 1 speed game out of their 4 just to whet their appetites ;)
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Postby colton24 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:06 am

Well I mean sometimes you can get busy and not find time for CC. RL is more important than CC and it can get in the way at times
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:04 pm

Was away for a bit....so it sounds like I am not alone in this quest. I was not sure about the farming concept, sound interesting though. However there was another point made. Many people sign up and leave because it takes too long. And a lot of the reason it takes too long is because of deadbeats signing up and quiting immediately. If they were removed, the game would go a lot faster and possibly keep new recruits. Myself, I try to avoid games with less than 6 people to avoid sitting around for several days just to play my 2nd and third round.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:51 pm

oceanfrank wrote:Was away for a bit....so it sounds like I am not alone in this quest. I was not sure about the farming concept, sound interesting though. However there was another point made. Many people sign up and leave because it takes too long. And a lot of the reason it takes too long is because of deadbeats signing up and quiting immediately. If they were removed, the game would go a lot faster and possibly keep new recruits. Myself, I try to avoid games with less than 6 people to avoid sitting around for several days just to play my 2nd and third round.

Funny, I stick mostly to games with just three or four people for the same reason. If you get into an 8-player game, it can be a long time between turns, if a few of those people take their time. But to the point of the matter, I do think it is not a great hardship to show up for at least the first turn of a game on time.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby JCKing on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:47 am

Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:31 pm

JCKing wrote:Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.

The proposal was to apply this policy only to new recruits.
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