Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

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Pearl Harbor map - which would you prefer?

a) stick with the adjusted (current) version.
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b) revert to the original version.
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Total votes : 212

Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby MrBenn on Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:21 am

What is the consensus on the changes to the Pearl Harbor map? Is it more balanced since the gameplay was adjusted towards the end of last year, or was the gameplay better prior to that? Both cairns and I would like to see this put to bed, and the options facing us are
    a) stick with the adjusted (current) version.
    b) revert to the original version.
I'll keep checking on the poll in this thread as a barometer of opinion, but would welcome discussion about the relative merits (or otherwise) of tweaking maps once they're up into live play.

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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby cairnswk on Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:44 am

There's been plenty of debate, but my preference is to see the original version restored.
The current combination is quite...oh hum!
It's lost it's Japanese attack appeal :(
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby danryan on Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:56 am

cairnswk wrote:There's been plenty of debate, but my preference is to see the original version restored.
The current combination is quite...oh hum!
It's lost it's Japanese attack appeal :(


Absolutely go back to the original. It is a plain vanilla map now, before it was incredibly exciting with the crazy drops you could get. A gem of a map.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby freakns on Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:11 am

keep todays version. two reasons. first one, its much more balanced, second, dan likes the first version.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby Qyu on Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:55 am

i vote for a revert

but i would prefer with plane bonus like :
2 planes : +1
3 planes : +2
4 planes : +3
all planes : +6/7 (like now)
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby Riazor on Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:00 am

Back to the original! I barely play it anymore, because it has just become a whole lot less fun, to me at least.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby jbrettlip on Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:38 am

Count one more return to original for Owen, who is forum banned adn can't vote.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby Robinette on Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:02 am

Although i consider myself quite the expert on the current version...
---i have played the current version not just once, but TWICE ---
but i never got a chance to play the original version...

Although, from all i've heard, the original sounds like it had a more interesting game play...
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby johnkelly00 on Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:56 am

Can someone explain the differences? What changes were made?
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby shidarin on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:27 pm

Original all the way.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby cliffaspinall on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:30 pm

Keep them both. Call one the Original Pearl Harbor and the other Pearl Harbor 2 (or something similar).
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby pmchugh on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:32 pm

More balanced doesn't always mean better map.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby flexmaster33 on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:44 pm

I find the new version to be much easier to read and the play flows better. I avoided the original Pearl Harbor, but I enjoy this new one.
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby fumandomuerte on Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:40 pm

Is this new version a fair 1vs1 option? The original wasn't (only played the map once because I hated the drop).
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Re: Pearl Harbor: Twist or Stick?

Postby MarshalNey on Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:49 pm

I loved the original Pearl Harbor more than any other map, and the changes were bewildering to me. The original was an extraordinary team map- so what if it wasn't perfect for 1v1 play?

The bottom line is, how could you diminish the importance of the planes- and by extension the AAs- in a map called Pearl Harbor? The bonus requirements might not seem that different, but it has had a huge effect on the way games are played. I would always see planes getting shot down by the AAs, now it's hardly worth the bother.

There's just no central thematic gameplay here anymore.

There are more balanced maps out there than the original version- but that doesn't mean that the original was badly balanced, just that it wasn't at the top of the pile... The old map was fun, the new one is merely safe. I'll value fun over a few measly points any day.

Oh, I voted to keep the original, in case anyone didn't guess ;)
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