Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 41/44 [Quenched]

[ender516]

Seems I'm a bit too late in writing this, but I hope you can still take it into account: I think the icon should go either after the "2" or preferably before "L'Empire". (In the latter case, the only change to how it was before would be the addition of "of".)

I think it makes sense, I'll put it before L'Empire

You know, when we were all going around on this, I thought, "Maybe it's just the word 'of' that we need to add." I took it as implied, but maybe that's all it needed.

[Capitino]

Small remark: Saxony is on the map abbreviated to 'Sx', but in the code it looks like to be abbreviated to 'Sw', which of course is Switserland

[Kabanellas]

Wow, the naples - bosnia connection is a huge change. Didn't even see the discussion on it, now naples may be underpowered at 1.

In any case, my respect and enjoyment for this map grows every time I play it. A masterpiece.

Glad to see that it is growing inside you Dan, despite you being initially somewhat reluctant about it

...as for Naples, remember that it has a 1 auto-deploy. So you could consider a 2 bonus, or at least 1,5.

[danryan]

Maybe it has to do with me winning more on it lately.

And yes, the autodeploy is nice, without a doubt.

[ender516]

Small remark: Saxony is on the map abbreviated to 'Sx', but in the code it looks like to be abbreviated to 'Sw', which of course is Switserland

Yes, thanks, this has been noted before, and I will include this fix along with the new bonus structure.

EDIT: Here is the updated XML:

NapoleonicEurope.1.12.xml

[Kabanellas]

Is everyone ok with these changes to the bonus structure plus the addition of the Naples Bosnia link ?

Here we go. Changed the legend according to that last suggestion.

Also changed the bonus structure - applying what has been discussed in the last weeks:

-Kingdoms of Naples, Sweden and Denmark bonuses all lowered to 1.
-United Kingdom lowered from 3 to 2
-made a connection between Naples and Bosnia

Click image to enlarge.

[Qyu]

Game 7666658
(yeh, i know, it's foggy, but the game will be soon over)

i've got prussia. it's noticed in my bonus.
but i also have warsaw, and no bonus for the couple prussia + warsaw (or i'm blind)

is the bonus still remain in the release, or is the bonus forgotten in the xml ?

the bonus is noticed in this xml http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/11/9/2644838/NapoleonicEurope.1.12.xml
but i don't know if it's the 'official' xml

[Kabanellas]

Qyu, I've read the log and I haven't seen the 3 troop bonus that you should be receiving for holding Prussia.... are you sure you hold it?

[Qyu]

yes, but i just take it in my last turn (with warsaw). I noticed that bob mentioned it (even in the 'Continents Overview', in the 'Statistics' and in the text map). He mentioned Poland too.
i see in the continent overview the bonus 'Saxony and Hessen w/ Prussia [1]' (i don't have it). But nowhere the bonus 'Warsaw w/ Prussia' who should be, if the official XML is the same as the 'NapoleonicEurope.1.12.xml' between 'Prussia [3]' bonus and 'Saxony and Hessen w/ Prussia [1]'

i could ask other mate don't finish the game, so we'll see in my next turn if i have the bonus


edit :
i think i understand. In the xml, it's said that 'Poland' bonus override 'Warsaw w/ Prussia' bonus. And since it's override, Bob won't mentioned it.
But i see this rule nowhere in the map explanation.


edit 2 : in Bob extended text map, the ''Warsaw w/ Prussia' is here.

Wrong alert about the xml, but maybe it could be useful it's noticed in the map explanation

[Lavaere]

certainly an interesting map, noticed the Saxony thing has been mentioned.
my only complaint is on trying recognize all the bonuses. the way the map is colored is just a tad confusing. hell in the game (7702380) I'm in. as far as I can tell I have all of france and yet not the bonus.
oh and and also the Orient part had me a little confused. larger map it just say Orient under Egypt. then I was told to read underneath it. that time I was in the smaller map and it said Egypt + Palestine. so that was a bit confusing as well

[ender516]

Well, the Orient bonus is outlined on both maps in brown with a dashed effect, but it might be a good idea to make the small and large maps more consistent in their labelling. You need to take Corsica to have the France bonus. Here again, the territories of the France bonus is all outlined in one colour, a slate blue-grey, and include all of Metropolitan France (the Hexagon and Corsica) while the extra territories of L'Empire have a dashed effect. I wouldn't say the colours are confusing. I think they are a well-executed scheme to convey a complex bonus system.

[Kabanellas]

oh and and also the Orient part had me a little confused. larger map it just say Orient under Egypt. then I was told to read underneath it. that time I was in the smaller map and it said Egypt + Palestine. so that was a bit confusing as well

In the large map we use a different font to name all different Countries/bonus zones, so I could easily insert the 'Orient' word with no further explanations, marking that way a distinct Zone. In the small map that 'different font' doesn't appear so when I inserted the 'Orient' word in the font used for the region names I felt the need to add that little explanation - Orient = Palestine + Egypt - or people might take Orient has a region, mistaking it by Egypt.

[Army of GOD]

Is everyone ok with these changes to the bonus structure plus the addition of the Naples Bosnia link ?

Here we go. Changed the legend according to that last suggestion.

Also changed the bonus structure - applying what has been discussed in the last weeks:

-Kingdoms of Naples, Sweden and Denmark bonuses all lowered to 1.
-United Kingdom lowered from 3 to 2
-made a connection between Naples and Bosnia

Click image to enlarge.

Make Spain a +3 bonus and I'll love it

[Kabanellas]

The problem with Spain is that if you also grab Portugal you'll be in a cluster receiving 2 (Spain) + 2 (Battle bonus) + 1 (Portugal) + 1 (Madrid auto-deploy) = 5 + 1 (auto-deploy) with just 4 regions to defend.

I think it's quite appealing as it is now, and the proof is that, in the majority of the games I've played, people will focus their attention there most of the time...

[Raskholnikov]

-United Kingdom lowered from 3 to 2
-made a connection between Naples and Bosnia

I'm sorry but I don't agree with these two changes. They are entirely ahistorical and change the nature of the game. Giving the Ottomans the option of getting into Italy and central Europe though Naples makes no sense; and lowering th UK to the same bonus as Spain ignores the fact the UK was the power who finally defeated Napoleon, both in Spain and in Belgium, and financed much of the wars against Napoleon.

Whilst I have no problem with the other changes, these two I cannot support.