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Re: We will remember

Postby Robinette on Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:13 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:....... Veteran's Day ......


There is no apostrophe in Veterans Day

and here's a few tid-bits

Veterans Day was created by Dwight Eisenhower in 1954. Originally known as “Armistice Day,” a commemoration proclaimed by Woodrow Wilson in 1919 and made an annual holiday by Calvin Coolidge in 1938. Armistice Day was “dedicated to the cause of world peace” but was more popularly about commemorating the heroes of World War One. The date is November 11 because the armistice between the Allies and Germany took effect at eleven o’clock in the morning on the eleventh day of the eleventh month of 1918.

The “Uniform Monday Holiday Act” of 1971 moved Veterans Day to the fourth Monday of October, but in response to popular sentiment, Veterans Day was moved back to November 11 in 1978.
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Re: We will remember

Postby Fruitcake on Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:03 pm

With irony heaped upon irony, this year’s Poppy Appeal was started in the UK at the Radway Green facility, owned by none other than BAE, one of Europe’s largest arms dealers. High ranking officials from the company that rakes in billions from international wars watched as veterans laid down wreaths. The excruciating irony of their presence passed unnoticed in a country that seems to have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of remembrance. The Poppy was originally created as a symbol of the horrors of war by a generation of people who, all too vividly, had experienced it.

I fully appreciate that whilst there were clearly defined moral distinctions of right and wrong regarding the combatants in WW2 and why conflict was unavoidable, however many other wars we and our allies have been involved in, do not carry the same clearly defined paths. The Poppy is in danger of becoming the panacea for the difficult task of reviewing whether what we are doing is right or wrong.

Call me disrespectful if you may, but like Harry Patch, the last British WW1 veteran who died last year, I find the wearing of poppies by British Government Ministers, with their notorious attitude to support of veterans quite sickening and full of hypocrisy. War is futile and always will be, meanwhile these Politicians and companies like BAE continue supporting wars and then ignoring the tragic human cost attached in the vainglorious pursuit of their own careers.

Having said this, there are great reasons for supporting (in the UK) the Royal British Legion, a great institution with a noble cause at heart, but I truly fear for what is happening to us when the likes of the skin crawling Simon Cowell or the saccharine Cheryl Cole decide that a common or garden paper Poppy is no longer fitting and feel the need to wear poppy pins encrusted with Swarovski crystals.

As the UK heads for this Remembrance Sunday, we should remember that those Politicians we will see on TV in Whitehall looking suitably grave and serious have cheerfully authorised the decimation of jobs, welfare and public education, whilst showing a complete ineptitude towards the armed Forces. They have sacrificed the life chances of a generation of young and working-class people while making rhetorical sops towards "the national interest", and that is not remembrance, nor is it any way to honour the memory of the Great Generation. Like Cowell and Cole, this is, in fact, just show business.
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Re: We will remember

Postby caymanmew on Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:11 pm

babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe
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Re: We will remember

Postby jefjef on Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:17 pm

caymanmew wrote:
babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe


Freedom is not just an American thing. A free world also promotes safety and stability and does much towards keeping us safe and out of conflicts...
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Re: We will remember

Postby Army of GOD on Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:49 pm

Fruitcake wrote:With irony heaped upon irony, this year’s Poppy Appeal was started in the UK at the Radway Green facility, owned by none other than BAE, one of Europe’s largest arms dealers. High ranking officials from the company that rakes in billions from international wars watched as veterans laid down wreaths. The excruciating irony of their presence passed unnoticed in a country that seems to have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of remembrance. The Poppy was originally created as a symbol of the horrors of war by a generation of people who, all too vividly, had experienced it.

I fully appreciate that whilst there were clearly defined moral distinctions of right and wrong regarding the combatants in WW2 and why conflict was unavoidable, however many other wars we and our allies have been involved in, do not carry the same clearly defined paths. The Poppy is in danger of becoming the panacea for the difficult task of reviewing whether what we are doing is right or wrong.

Call me disrespectful if you may, but like Harry Patch, the last British WW1 veteran who died last year, I find the wearing of poppies by British Government Ministers, with their notorious attitude to support of veterans quite sickening and full of hypocrisy. War is futile and always will be, meanwhile these Politicians and companies like BAE continue supporting wars and then ignoring the tragic human cost attached in the vainglorious pursuit of their own careers.

Having said this, there are great reasons for supporting (in the UK) the Royal British Legion, a great institution with a noble cause at heart, but I truly fear for what is happening to us when the likes of the skin crawling Simon Cowell or the saccharine Cheryl Cole decide that a common or garden paper Poppy is no longer fitting and feel the need to wear poppy pins encrusted with Swarovski crystals.

As the UK heads for this Remembrance Sunday, we should remember that those Politicians we will see on TV in Whitehall looking suitably grave and serious have cheerfully authorised the decimation of jobs, welfare and public education, whilst showing a complete ineptitude towards the armed Forces. They have sacrificed the life chances of a generation of young and working-class people while making rhetorical sops towards "the national interest", and that is not remembrance, nor is it any way to honour the memory of the Great Generation. Like Cowell and Cole, this is, in fact, just show business.


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Re: We will remember

Postby caymanmew on Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:50 pm

jefjef wrote:
caymanmew wrote:
babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe


Freedom is not just an American thing. A free world also promotes safety and stability and does much towards keeping us safe and out of conflicts...


well the world was still going to be "free" no matter who won we (Canada) only entered the was because we had to (just like every other country who was fighting)
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Re: We will remember

Postby Robinette on Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:37 pm

Both my Grandfather's fought in the trenches...

My mother's father, in the French trenches from 1916, Verdun and others...
My father's father, johnny come lately in 1918

Thankfully, they both came home, lest i not be amongst you now...
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Re: We will remember

Postby the.killing.44 on Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:43 pm

Robinette wrote:Both my Grandfather's fought in the trenches...

There is no apostrophe in grandfathers
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Re: We will remember

Postby nietzsche on Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:21 pm

I wonder where is ljex. He would've moved this thread to SIB already.
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Re: We will remember

Postby Robinette on Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:49 am

the.killing.44 wrote:
Robinette wrote:Both my Grandfather's fought in the trenches...

There is no apostrophe in grandfathers



hahaha,, i deserved that... but actually, we both got it wrong...

that is a possessive plural, therefore it should be Both my Grandfathers'
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Re: We will remember

Postby nietzsche on Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:51 am

you are wrong Robinette (this is a long shot, english is not my mother language :lol: )
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Re: We will remember

Postby Fruitcake on Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:33 am

caymanmew wrote:
babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe


I would keep that decidedly ill informed opinion to yourself until you learn more about treaty, agreement and the breaking thereof.
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Re: We will remember

Postby caymanmew on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:22 am

Fruitcake wrote:
caymanmew wrote:
babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe


I would keep that decidedly ill informed opinion to yourself until you learn more about treaty, agreement and the breaking thereof.


i know enough about them that i know we had to join into the war on Britain side ..... like most country's had to
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Re: We will remember

Postby InsomniaRed on Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:27 am

caymanmew wrote:
Fruitcake wrote:
caymanmew wrote:
babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe


I would keep that decidedly ill informed opinion to yourself until you learn more about treaty, agreement and the breaking thereof.


i know enough about them that i know we had to join into the war on Britain side ..... like most country's had to

:roll: Please stay in school and pay attention in class. I never thought I'd say this but there might be a subject you need to study more than English, and that is History. Both pretty important, and you seem to be, how did Fruitcake put it?, 'decidedly ill informed' on both subjects :P
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Re: We will remember

Postby TheSaxlad on Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:50 am

InsomniaRed wrote:
caymanmew wrote:
Fruitcake wrote:
caymanmew wrote:
babinator wrote:Lest we forget the sacrifice made by so many to keep us free.


no they sacrifice themselves to keep the Europeans "free"

we where perfectly safe


I would keep that decidedly ill informed opinion to yourself until you learn more about treaty, agreement and the breaking thereof.


i know enough about them that i know we had to join into the war on Britain side ..... like most country's had to

:roll: Please stay in school and pay attention in class. I never thought I'd say this but there might be a subject you need to study more than English, and that is History. Both pretty important, and you seem to be, how did Fruitcake put it?, 'decidedly ill informed' on both subjects :P


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