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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby 24Keyser on Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:52 pm

I Love Fractured America So I Say Go For It
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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:19 pm

See, now that would be an interesting scenario given all the China is the world's upcoming leader talk that's been going around. Much better than another Europe map in my opinion... here's looking forward to a draft.
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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:01 am

Industrial Helix wrote:See, now that would be an interesting scenario given all the China is the world's upcoming leader talk that's been going around. Much better than another Europe map in my opinion... here's looking forward to a draft.

Cheers to a new Fractured map! *clinks glasses with Helix and isaiah*

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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby The Bison King on Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:03 pm

Fractured China? Sounds cool! I think that it should also include Mongolia as fractured America includes Mexico.
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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:58 pm

The Bison King wrote:Fractured China? Sounds cool! I think that it should also include Mongolia as fractured America includes Mexico.


Exactly what I was going to do along with a couple of other countries like Fractured America. ;)
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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:20 pm

I'm really looking forward to this---as this area needs more maps anyways!


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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby The Bison King on Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:04 pm

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The Bison King wrote:Fractured China? Sounds cool! I think that it should also include Mongolia as fractured America includes Mexico.


Exactly what I was going to do along with a couple of other countries like Fractured America. ;)

Korea? :-k
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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:38 pm

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isaiah40 wrote:
The Bison King wrote:Fractured China? Sounds cool! I think that it should also include Mongolia as fractured America includes Mexico.


Exactly what I was going to do along with a couple of other countries like Fractured America. ;)

Korea? :-k


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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:54 pm

I want to see Manchuria retake their ancestral lands back from Russia... plus what they should have in China.
Greater mongolia? An independent Tibet. Perhaps India will get some of its forfeited land back. Hong Kong and the former treaty ports could form a confederation. Taiwan is... independent still. And of course, Japan ought to take a slice for herself as well.

Should be good, lots of potential for this map!
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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:24 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:I want to see Manchuria retake their ancestral lands back from Russia... plus what they should have in China.
Greater mongolia? An independent Tibet. Perhaps India will get some of its forfeited land back. Hong Kong and the former treaty ports could form a confederation. Taiwan is... independent still. And of course, Japan ought to take a slice for herself as well.

Should be good, lots of potential for this map!


Good ideas! Here is what I have so far with the map I'm working from. It's not complete yet, but I thought I would post this now. SO let me know.

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Re: Coming Soon: Fractured China!!

Postby The Bison King on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:30 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:I want to see Manchuria retake their ancestral lands back from Russia... plus what they should have in China.
Greater mongolia? An independent Tibet. Perhaps India will get some of its forfeited land back. Hong Kong and the former treaty ports could form a confederation. Taiwan is... independent still. And of course, Japan ought to take a slice for herself as well.

Should be good, lots of potential for this map!


Good ideas! Here is what I have so far with the map I'm working from. It's not complete yet, but I thought I would post this now. SO let me know.

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Great start! I think inner China should be split up a lot more though.
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:35 pm

Oh it will be soon enough! I am going to have Vietnam take over a 2 or 3 territories from China, and maybe have Taiwan take over a couple as well (hey this is a futuristic map and I'm aloud to have some artistic license right!?).
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby The Bison King on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:37 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Oh it will be soon enough! I am going to have Vietnam take over a 2 or 3 territories from China, and maybe have Taiwan take over a couple as well (hey this is a futuristic map and I'm aloud to have some artistic license right!?).

Sweet. Yeah man, I'd say go crazy!
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby 24Keyser on Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:13 pm

The Bison King wrote:
Fractured China? Sounds cool! I think that it should also include Mongolia as fractured America includes Mexico.


Exactly what I was going to do along with a couple of other countries like Fractured America.


i Say Add Taiwan North Korea And Mongolia Taking Over Large Parts Of China

I Also Suggest A Region Called Tibet
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:36 pm

Well, I think Taiwan ought to stay Taiwan, personally. I mean, you want it rooted in some history and politics, right?

Bring in Manchuria, composed of Chifing, Hulanbur, Amur, Jilin and Liaoning.
Map and info... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchuria it looks like Korea and Manchuria would get into it over some land. Manchuria would be taking from Russia especially as well.

Korea... Make one Korea because without China NK is done for. Check out this ancient map:
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Part of Xizang ought to be Tibet at its current, supposed borders. They're not known for fighting... ever... so I don't see any expansion potential there.

China took a few small pieces of India back in the 70s I believe, Chinese Kashmir and something else. So i imagine India would take that back plus a little extra.
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I know the Cantonese are a separate language group, they encompass Guandong and Guanxi, but from what I understand, they've pretty much assimilated into Han China.

If vietnam took anything, it would be, maybe Hunan and Hainan. Traditionally, they've been more interested in grabbing Cambodia and Laos.

In China proper, the Han Chinese area, I'd say keep it whole. It's traditional China.

And again, i'd like to reiterate my enthusiasm for a sort of confederation or league of the former treaty ports... maybe through Shanghai in there as well.
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby The Bison King on Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:41 pm

Bring in Manchuria, composed of Chifing, Hulanbur, Amur, Jilin and Liaoning.

I totally agree.

In China proper, the Han Chinese area, I'd say keep it whole. It's traditional China.

I totally disagree. It wouldn't be much of a "fractured" map if he kept it whole, now would it?

It's not like the 13 colonies are 1 bonus in fractured America. Inner China has a complex history of inner conflict and civil wars dating back thousands of years. It's only been "whole" as we think of it, for a couple hundred years.
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:15 am

It's not like the 13 colonies are 1 bonus in fractured America. Inner China has a complex history of inner conflict and civil wars dating back thousands of years. It's only been "whole" as we think of it, for a couple hundred years.[/quote]

Well, on FA New England is a bonus region, as is the traditional South... strangely labeled as libertarians. I always viewed the creation of bonus regions as going back somewhat to the major divisions a country has seen since its inception.

Furthermore... Han China is as old as, well, Han China at about 200 BCE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Dynasty
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:07 am

Hong Kong!?! :D


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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby 24Keyser on Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:19 pm

AndyDufresne Wrote:

Hong Kong!?!

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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby isaiah40 on Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:55 pm

Okay here is an almost finished draft. I think China is totally fractured, although I probably could eliminate Russia. But I'll leave that to you all. So take a gander and let me know!!

I still have to put in impassable's and such.

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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1a!!

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:04 am

Xizang -> Tibet?
Xinjiang -> Uyghurstan/East Turkestan?

These are two major separatist movements in those respective areas (though East Turkestan doesn't try to claim Qinghai).
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1a!!

Postby The Bison King on Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:12 am

Impassables.
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1!!

Postby 24Keyser on Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:06 am

isaiah40 wrote:Okay here is an almost finished draft. I think China is totally fractured, although I probably could eliminate Russia. But I'll leave that to you all. So take a gander and let me know!!

I still have to put in impassable's and such.

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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1a!!

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:13 am

I think you're going to have to put Vietnam on the map like you did Mexico on FA.

Also, maybe throw Taiwan into that bonus region with HK and Macao.
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Re: Now Here: Fractured China V.1a!!

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:29 am

Evil DIMwit wrote:Xizang -> Tibet?
Xinjiang -> Uyghurstan/East Turkestan?

These are two major separatist movements in those respective areas (though East Turkestan doesn't try to claim Qinghai).


According to the info I found, both Xizang and Xinjiang are autonomous states so that is why they are their own bonuses (although I have both of them taking an extra territory from China.

The Bison King wrote:Impassables.


So impatient you are :lol: They are coming next update.
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Also, maybe throw Taiwan into that bonus region with HK and Macao.


Well I did have Vietnam take 1 territory from china, but I guess you're suggesting to have a couple more territories added to them?? Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Macao and Hong Kong are city states so to speak. I might add in another city and use them as starting points. Though I'm not sure if it would out. :-k
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