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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:28 pm

danryan wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I've wanted a Roman Empire map, but the extra additions to the gameplay probably would make this a map that I'd avoid as it stands, even though it is a pretty-sight and theme.


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Isn't Imperium Romanum what you're describing then Andy? It's pretty straightforward, while this looks like a brain melter. Nice first draft Nuno - I look forward to studying this in detail, and following it through. Brilliant conception.

Nah, Imperium Romanum isn't quite either.


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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:12 pm

Thanks a lot guys for all your support :)

danryan wrote:One objection, there's a small village in Gaul that should start neutral that isn't shown, surrounded by the fortified Roman Camps of Totorum, Laudanum, Compendium, and Totorum. ;)


ah ahahahh you're right ....and it should start with maybe 10 neutral troops at least. :D :D

Industrial Helix wrote: Diocletian was at the end of the 3rd century, not the 4th


you're totally right of course, Diocletian implemented the Tetrarchy in the 290's... an honest mistake that I'll correct asap

Industrial Helix wrote:and while he did split the Empire, Constantine re-unified it and moved the capital to Constantinople. Diocletian's eastern capital was at Nicomedia. Julian followed Constantine in a unified Empire, but his successor Jovian presided over the final and permanent split between east and west. Your map describes the situation post-Jovian more than it does in Diocletian's time.


for the sake of gameplay and appeal-ability I'm giving myself some 'conceptual freedoms' - So I'm overlooking Milan (or Mediolanum) as the temporary capital of the East and Nicomedia for the West. ;)

Industrial Helix wrote: And the Eastern Roman Empire was never known to them as the "Byzantine Empire", they referred to themselves as Romans until the Turks sacked Constantinople.


indeed, but it was later known as the Byzantine Empire to us.

theBastard wrote:this is emblem of city Constantinople from about 300 AD
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Humm that emblem, it definitely looks related to Islam with the crescent in it. I really don't see any relation with the Roman Empire there.....
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:16 pm

Rodion wrote:Should be a great map, Nuno!

One thing I'd like to see is territories with real city/province names instead of codes like AFI, AFII, AFIII, AFIV and AFV. Do you think that can be done? :)


ohhh... How I wish. Unfortunatly I don't have the space for it especially on the small map. Also, I've merged some provinces in some areas of the Empire, so, if for some we could actually refer to them by their accurate historical name on the merged ones we couldn't.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:37 pm

Kabanellas wrote:
Rodion wrote:Should be a great map, Nuno!

One thing I'd like to see is territories with real city/province names instead of codes like AFI, AFII, AFIII, AFIV and AFV. Do you think that can be done? :)


ohhh... How I wish. Unfortunatly I don't have the space for it especially on the small map. Also, I've merged some provinces in some areas of the Empire, so, if for some we could actually refer to them by their accurate historical name on the merged ones we couldn't.

You could at least mention something in the XML...
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:45 pm

Kabanellas wrote:for the sake of gameplay and appeal-ability I'm giving myself some 'conceptual freedoms' - So I'm overlooking Milan (or Mediolanum) as the temporary capital of the East and Nicomedia for the West. ;)


maybe to this time era are the best Ravenna for West and Constantinople for East. if we spoke about dividing empire by Theodosius.
Kabanellas wrote:indeed, but it was later known as the Byzantine Empire to us.


much, much later ;)
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theBastard wrote:this is emblem of city Constantinople from about 300 AD
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Humm that emblem, it definitely looks related to Islam with the crescent in it. I really don't see any relation with the Roman Empire there.....

here are some notices:
The star and crescent symbol was originally used as the flag of Constantinople.
According to legend in 339 BC the city of Byzantium, (later known as Constantinople and then Istanbul), won a decisive battle under a brilliant waxing moon which they attributed to their patron Goddess Artemis (Diana in Roman mythology) whose symbol was the crescent moon.
In honor of Artemis the citizens adopted the crescent moon as their symbol.
When the city became the Christian Roman Constantinople in 330 AD, Constantine also added the Virgin Mary's star on the flag.
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In 670 BC, the citizens of Byzantium made the crescent moon as their state symbol, after an important victory. Byzantium was the first governing state to use the crescent moon as its national symbol. In 330 AD Constantine I added the Virgin Mary's star to the flag. Byzantium would then also be the first attested nation or empire to use the combination of the crescent moon and star together as an emblem.

The crescent moon and star was not completely abandoned by the Christian world after the fall of Constantinople. To date the official flag of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem is a labarum of white, a church building with two towers, and on either side of the arms, at the top, are the outline in black of a crescent moon facing center and a star with rays
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:52 pm

theBastard wrote:The star and crescent symbol was originally used as the flag of Constantinople.
According to legend in 339 BC the city of Byzantium, (later known as Constantinople and then Istanbul), won a decisive battle under a brilliant waxing moon which they attributed to their patron Goddess Artemis (Diana in Roman mythology) whose symbol was the crescent moon.
In honor of Artemis the citizens adopted the crescent moon as their symbol.
When the city became the Christian Roman Constantinople in 330 AD, Constantine also added the Virgin Mary's star on the flag.
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In 670 BC, the citizens of Byzantium made the crescent moon as their state symbol, after an important victory. Byzantium was the first governing state to use the crescent moon as its national symbol. In 330 AD Constantine I added the Virgin Mary's star to the flag. Byzantium would then also be the first attested nation or empire to use the combination of the crescent moon and star together as an emblem.

The crescent moon and star was not completely abandoned by the Christian world after the fall of Constantinople. To date the official flag of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem is a labarum of white, a church building with two towers, and on either side of the arms, at the top, are the outline in black of a crescent moon facing center and a star with rays



..Very interesting ;)
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:00 pm

Taken from a forum:

The crescent moon originally had no connection to Islam. From the seventh century until the late thirteenth century, Islam had no symbol whatsoever. It is a religion, of course, which forbids all images. Therefore, it was not appropriated by Muhammad, but rather by the Ottoman Turks when they seized Constantinople/Istanbul. In the process they appropriated the city's Byzantine symbol (the crescent moon). The Ottomans claimed the caliphate and ruled over much of the known Muslim world, thus their symbol came to represent Islam, especially amongst the Christians whom they battled.

A decent, quick-to-read article on the subject can be found here:

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/crescent_moon.htm
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:04 pm

so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Rodion on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:16 pm

Kabanellas wrote:so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?


http://www.google.com.br/images?hl=pt-b ... a=N&tab=wi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby theBastard on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:19 pm

Kabanellas wrote:so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?

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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:02 pm

Kab wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:and while he did split the Empire, Constantine re-unified it and moved the capital to Constantinople. Diocletian's eastern capital was at Nicomedia. Julian followed Constantine in a unified Empire, but his successor Jovian presided over the final and permanent split between east and west. Your map describes the situation post-Jovian more than it does in Diocletian's time.


for the sake of gameplay and appeal-ability I'm giving myself some 'conceptual freedoms' - So I'm overlooking Milan (or Mediolanum) as the temporary capital of the East and Nicomedia for the West. ;)

Industrial Helix wrote: And the Eastern Roman Empire was never known to them as the "Byzantine Empire", they referred to themselves as Romans until the Turks sacked Constantinople.


indeed, but it was later known as the Byzantine Empire to us.



Well that's fine and dandy, with things like this you need some freedom... just don't say Diocletian made his capital at Constantinople. I don't have any problem with the gameplay mechanics, its the paragraph that needs some corrections.

Furthermore, I find all this talk about the Crescent and Star flag very interesting... i had no idea the Ottoman's swiped the idea from the Byzantines. I think you should use it somewhere on this map.
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby wolfpack0530 on Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:47 am

Nic work Kab. Wasnt this right around the time that Attila the Hun was kicking Rome's ass any and every time that he wished?
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:51 am

theBastard wrote:
Kabanellas wrote:so it's understood that the crescent with the sun (star) is the flag of Constantinople.. but I'd be more interested in the flag of the Eastern Roman Empire rather than be using the flag of its capital. Any ideas?

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That will be it! :)
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:53 am

Industrial Helix wrote:Furthermore, I find all this talk about the Crescent and Star flag very interesting... i had no idea the Ottoman's swiped the idea from the Byzantines. I think you should use it somewhere on this map.


interesting indeed, did not know it either 8-[
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Re: The Fall of the Roman Empire (Conquer Rome)

Postby Kabanellas on Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:00 am

wolfpack0530 wrote:Nic work Kab. Wasnt this right around the time that Attila the Hun was kicking Rome's ass any and every time that he wished?


Thanks wolf,
well Attila appears in Europe more than 1 century later.. and actually the Huns migrate to Europe around 350 A.D. which is a bit later than Diocletian but still in this time scope.

.....I could of course replace the Huns and insert a more contemporary tribe like the Vandals or the Burgundians.... :-s
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