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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:05 am

I'm liking the colors on this map and the gameplay. Brought me to Major for the second time in my CC career, I'm liking it even more ;)

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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby silent_bob on Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:45 am

I've played this map a few times and it seems that there is a lack of balance in terms of starting position. I've seen other comments on this topic but there seems to be an easy strategy for winning:
- Take Slovenia (+2 with 2 borders)
- Use this as a base to take Croatia & Bosnia (moves you up to +6 with 3 borders)
- Take Montenegro (moves you up to +7 with 3 borders)

I think the game would even out more if Slovenia was worth +1 only, or alternatively if it was removed completely.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:48 am

Hm, given it's position on the map, a +1 may be a good idea.


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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:09 pm

or what josko.ri suggested

josko.ri wrote:slovenia plus 2 bonus is pretty unbalanced. it has bonus the same like albania, macedonia and turkey but is much easier to defend, if put a big stack in sredisnja hrvatska, as it is the only region which may attack slovenia bonus.

I suggest just remove mountains between istra and primorska. if you look at real map, mountains there doesnt exists. in real, mountains end above letter "S" in ISTRA. so, if you just remove mountains left of letter "S", you will do map which is in reality and also very ballance slovenia bonus of 2. it will then be harder to defense, just like it is albania, macedonia and turkey bonuses of 2. then Istra would be able to attack Primorska but still wouldnt be able to attack Kranjska.

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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby ender516 on Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:17 pm

I haven't played this map yet, but the suggestion from josko.ri seems like a better answer, what with the added attraction of matching the real geography better.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby cyrenius on Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:07 pm

Some sugestions for Romania:

- It's Crișana not Criașna (I know, I live there)
- Dobrudja is called in fact Dobrogea

Here's some map's with the regions of Romania

Romamia as it is now

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiRegiuniIstor ... elendo.jpg

and how it was

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiRegiuniIstor ... maniei.jpg
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby perchorin on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:46 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:or what josko.ri suggested

josko.ri wrote:slovenia plus 2 bonus is pretty unbalanced. it has bonus the same like albania, macedonia and turkey but is much easier to defend, if put a big stack in sredisnja hrvatska, as it is the only region which may attack slovenia bonus.

I suggest just remove mountains between istra and primorska. if you look at real map, mountains there doesnt exists. in real, mountains end above letter "S" in ISTRA. so, if you just remove mountains left of letter "S", you will do map which is in reality and also very ballance slovenia bonus of 2. it will then be harder to defense, just like it is albania, macedonia and turkey bonuses of 2. then Istra would be able to attack Primorska but still wouldnt be able to attack Kranjska.

Yeah I think this needs to happen as well.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby pamoa on Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:31 pm

you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey
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<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Štajerska</territory>
      <territory>Shkoder</territory>
      <territory>Pelagonia</territory>
      <territory>Istanbul</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Kranjsya</territory>
      <territory>Tirana</territory>
      <territory>Vardar</territory>
      <territory>Kirklareli</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Primorska</territory>
      <territory>Fier</territory>
      <territory>Skopje</territory>
      <territory>Tekirdag</territory>
   </position>
</positions>
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:00 am

pamoa wrote:you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey
Code: Select all
<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Štajerska</territory>
      <territory>Shkoder</territory>
      <territory>Pelagonia</territory>
      <territory>Istanbul</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Kranjsya</territory>
      <territory>Tirana</territory>
      <territory>Vardar</territory>
      <territory>Kirklareli</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Primorska</territory>
      <territory>Fier</territory>
      <territory>Skopje</territory>
      <territory>Tekirdag</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

Those regions are already divided up by starting positions:

Code: Select all
<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Primorska</territory>
      <territory>Shkoder</territory>
      <territory>Skopje</territory>
      <territory>Kirklareli</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Kranjska</territory>
      <territory>Tirana</territory>
      <territory>Pelagonia</territory>
      <territory>Tekirdag</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Stajerska</territory>
      <territory>Fier</territory>
      <territory>Vardar</territory>
      <territory>Istanbul</territory>
   </position>
</positions>
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:10 am

cyrenius, thanks for the feedback.

I can change the names of Crișana and Dobrudja pretty easily. Shifting the regions however is a bit more problematic. The easiest change to make would be the merging of Transylvania and the addition of Bucovina. (In practical terms any armies on Northern Transylvania would be transported to the Bucovina!) This would otherwise have minimal impact on gameplay I expect? I can probably tweak some of the borders to be more like the map you posted too.

cyrenius wrote:Some sugestions for Romania:

- It's Crișana not Criașna (I know, I live there)
- Dobrudja is called in fact Dobrogea

Here's some map's with the regions of Romania

Romamia as it is now

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiRegiuniIstor ... elendo.jpg
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:14 am

In terms of the Slovenia imbalance, I think the suggestion from josko carries most weight with me:
josko.ri wrote:slovenia plus 2 bonus is pretty unbalanced. it has bonus the same like albania, macedonia and turkey but is much easier to defend, if put a big stack in sredisnja hrvatska, as it is the only region which may attack slovenia bonus.

I suggest just remove mountains between istra and primorska. if you look at real map, mountains there doesnt exists. in real, mountains end above letter "S" in ISTRA. so, if you just remove mountains left of letter "S", you will do map which is in reality and also very ballance slovenia bonus of 2. it will then be harder to defense, just like it is albania, macedonia and turkey bonuses of 2. then Istra would be able to attack Primorska but still wouldnt be able to attack Kranjska.
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:42 am

Here are some updated images:

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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby pamoa on Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:24 am

pamoa wrote:you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey

MrBenn wrote:Those regions are already divided up by starting positions

what about 2 territories Bosnia?
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:40 pm

pamoa wrote:
pamoa wrote:you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey

MrBenn wrote:Those regions are already divided up by starting positions

what about 2 territories Bosnia?

We made a decision that a +1 bonus on a map this size was hardly earth-shattering, and I can live with the possibilty of it being dropped.

Here's some updated XML to reflect the changed images:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/9/2 ... kans02.xml

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj32 ... ans10S.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj32 ... ans10L.jpg
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Re: The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Dec 17th 2010--

Postby pamoa on Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:07 pm

I see everything is already planed
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