The Balkan Peninsula [FF] --Feb 2nd 2010--

[rdsrds2120]

I'm liking the colors on this map and the gameplay. Brought me to Major for the second time in my CC career, I'm liking it even more

-rd

[silent_bob]

I've played this map a few times and it seems that there is a lack of balance in terms of starting position. I've seen other comments on this topic but there seems to be an easy strategy for winning:
- Take Slovenia (+2 with 2 borders)
- Use this as a base to take Croatia & Bosnia (moves you up to +6 with 3 borders)
- Take Montenegro (moves you up to +7 with 3 borders)

I think the game would even out more if Slovenia was worth +1 only, or alternatively if it was removed completely.

[AndyDufresne]

Hm, given it's position on the map, a +1 may be a good idea.


--Andy

[thenobodies80]

or what josko.ri suggested

slovenia plus 2 bonus is pretty unbalanced. it has bonus the same like albania, macedonia and turkey but is much easier to defend, if put a big stack in sredisnja hrvatska, as it is the only region which may attack slovenia bonus.

I suggest just remove mountains between istra and primorska. if you look at real map, mountains there doesnt exists. in real, mountains end above letter "S" in ISTRA. so, if you just remove mountains left of letter "S", you will do map which is in reality and also very ballance slovenia bonus of 2. it will then be harder to defense, just like it is albania, macedonia and turkey bonuses of 2. then Istra would be able to attack Primorska but still wouldnt be able to attack Kranjska.

[ender516]

I haven't played this map yet, but the suggestion from josko.ri seems like a better answer, what with the added attraction of matching the real geography better.

[cyrenius]

Some sugestions for Romania:

- It's Crișana not Criașna (I know, I live there)
- Dobrudja is called in fact Dobrogea

Here's some map's with the regions of Romania

Romamia as it is now

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiRegiuniIstor ... elendo.jpg

and how it was

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiRegiuniIstor ... maniei.jpg

[perchorin]

or what josko.ri suggested

slovenia plus 2 bonus is pretty unbalanced. it has bonus the same like albania, macedonia and turkey but is much easier to defend, if put a big stack in sredisnja hrvatska, as it is the only region which may attack slovenia bonus.

I suggest just remove mountains between istra and primorska. if you look at real map, mountains there doesnt exists. in real, mountains end above letter "S" in ISTRA. so, if you just remove mountains left of letter "S", you will do map which is in reality and also very ballance slovenia bonus of 2. it will then be harder to defense, just like it is albania, macedonia and turkey bonuses of 2. then Istra would be able to attack Primorska but still wouldnt be able to attack Kranjska.

Yeah I think this needs to happen as well.

[pamoa]

you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey

Code: Select all

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Štajerska</territory>
      <territory>Shkoder</territory>
      <territory>Pelagonia</territory>
      <territory>Istanbul</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Kranjsya</territory>
      <territory>Tirana</territory>
      <territory>Vardar</territory>
      <territory>Kirklareli</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Primorska</territory>
      <territory>Fier</territory>
      <territory>Skopje</territory>
      <territory>Tekirdag</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

[MrBenn]

you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey

Code: Select all

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Štajerska</territory>
      <territory>Shkoder</territory>
      <territory>Pelagonia</territory>
      <territory>Istanbul</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Kranjsya</territory>
      <territory>Tirana</territory>
      <territory>Vardar</territory>
      <territory>Kirklareli</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Primorska</territory>
      <territory>Fier</territory>
      <territory>Skopje</territory>
      <territory>Tekirdag</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

Those regions are already divided up by starting positions:

Code: Select all

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Primorska</territory>
      <territory>Shkoder</territory>
      <territory>Skopje</territory>
      <territory>Kirklareli</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Kranjska</territory>
      <territory>Tirana</territory>
      <territory>Pelagonia</territory>
      <territory>Tekirdag</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Stajerska</territory>
      <territory>Fier</territory>
      <territory>Vardar</territory>
      <territory>Istanbul</territory>
   </position>
</positions>


[MrBenn]

cyrenius, thanks for the feedback.

I can change the names of Crișana and Dobrudja pretty easily. Shifting the regions however is a bit more problematic. The easiest change to make would be the merging of Transylvania and the addition of Bucovina. (In practical terms any armies on Northern Transylvania would be transported to the Bucovina!) This would otherwise have minimal impact on gameplay I expect? I can probably tweak some of the borders to be more like the map you posted too.

Some sugestions for Romania:

- It's Crișana not Criașna (I know, I live there)
- Dobrudja is called in fact Dobrogea

Here's some map's with the regions of Romania

Romamia as it is now

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiRegiuniIstor ... elendo.jpg

[MrBenn]

In terms of the Slovenia imbalance, I think the suggestion from josko carries most weight with me:

slovenia plus 2 bonus is pretty unbalanced. it has bonus the same like albania, macedonia and turkey but is much easier to defend, if put a big stack in sredisnja hrvatska, as it is the only region which may attack slovenia bonus.

I suggest just remove mountains between istra and primorska. if you look at real map, mountains there doesnt exists. in real, mountains end above letter "S" in ISTRA. so, if you just remove mountains left of letter "S", you will do map which is in reality and also very ballance slovenia bonus of 2. it will then be harder to defense, just like it is albania, macedonia and turkey bonuses of 2. then Istra would be able to attack Primorska but still wouldnt be able to attack Kranjska.

[MrBenn]

Here are some updated images:

[pamoa]

you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey

Those regions are already divided up by starting positions

what about 2 territories Bosnia?

[MrBenn]

you imperatively need to code all 4 bonus regions with 3 territories as starting position
it is way too unbalanced in a 2 players game

Slovenia
Albania
Macedonia
Turkey

Those regions are already divided up by starting positions

what about 2 territories Bosnia?

We made a decision that a +1 bonus on a map this size was hardly earth-shattering, and I can live with the possibilty of it being dropped.

Here's some updated XML to reflect the changed images:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/9/2 ... kans02.xml

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj32 ... ans10S.jpg
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj32 ... ans10L.jpg

[pamoa]

I see everything is already planed
good job