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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:35 pm

Underated wrote:Played map in single, double format 5 - 6 times now.

It is the closest map to a chess game i have encountered. Happen to be a president of a local chess club (said only to qualify comments). I believe this is one of the best, most analitical, stategical, multiple scenario maps i have played in all of conquer club.

Whether or not you believe the dice curse you and your ulitimate plan, this map provides multiple attacking options, and plenty of balanced bonus options that are easily got, and easily broken. At this stage, there is limited stone walling (stack building) choke points, that prevent uneccessary long play, as breach points are via all avenues, knights, catupults, archers and silent round the back stuff.

I like how pieces support pieces espically in the attacking format, ie you have charged a knight in and before a front assualt, a catupult can activate via a trebeche. maximizing the final charge.

No map is perfect. But my compliments to he architect, designers, planners, thinkers and feedbacker whom have all contributed.

This is still not better than chess, you have over 1500 years to prove that, but it definetly tips the balance away from luck, or lucky dice into more of a think, think, think map.

Well done.

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Thanks a lot, we appreciate it :)

(and I do love Chess - been playing it since I was 4 ....I think ;) )
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:37 pm

knubbel wrote:I did not read the hole topic so maybe it was already mentioned.

There could be a pat situation if one player controls the archers and the other one(s) do have territs in the council. The archer player is stronger but he can not win cause he can't attack.


yup, that's what you'll get if you're stuck in a no way out path..... Archers can only bombard or assault each other
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby chipv on Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:01 am

Ok I have word this change may be a week or so away so I would like to have a discussion with 1v1 players on this map.

One castle or 2 to start with?

I would like to discuss pros and cons of starting with 1 castle in 1v1

I'll start the ball rolling:

Pros

Game last longer, more challenging, more fair to 2nd player

Cons

May encourage use of Court to try for a quick kill - is this likely?
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby Masli on Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:49 pm

2 more pros would be :
* would become less of a farming map on 1vs 1
* if I understand correct, this would also mean 2 vs 2 would start with 1 castle each, and that would make the map better
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby rdsrds2120 on Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:30 pm

chipv wrote:Ok I have word this change may be a week or so away so I would like to have a discussion with 1v1 players on this map.

One castle or 2 to start with?

I would like to discuss pros and cons of starting with 1 castle in 1v1

I'll start the ball rolling:

Pros

Game last longer, more challenging, more fair to 2nd player

Cons

May encourage use of Court to try for a quick kill - is this likely?


Maybe.
I can see a strategy being to attack the castle then the villages, and keep forting everything back to the noble. Assuming you're building faster than your opponent, it would only be a matter of time. However, that wouldn't be wise, so I don't know how many people would do it.

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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby myfriendkyle on Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:05 am

I didn't read the whole thread and I apologize if this has already been brought up.

I just noticed that the King does not revert to 7 neutral at the end of the turn. Another player had attacked the king and then a castle the turn before mine and he still held the king territ with 1 of his troops when I hit start. It doesn't seem to fit the strategy. Or was that intended? Kind of a risky move to go for the king just to have another player waltz right in after you've cleared the way.

It was in a freestyle map, but he had finished his turn an hour before I began mine.

Again, if this has been addressed then I apologize. Fun map!
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:51 am

Reverting to neutral always happens at the beginning of your turn.
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby GoranZ on Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:07 am

2 castles for start...
pos: with 1v1 perfect setting
neg: with 2v2 all castles will be taken and everything will be up to the turn order and location. not too big problem with good strategy.

1 castle for start...
pos. good for all except for 1v1 with good strategy
neg. with 1v1 it might take 10+ turns in order to players to meat... the games will be long and probably not interesting. 8 neutrals per castle make even bigger problem, 2v2 game will be mainly defensive one, wait for the opponents to attack neutral castle and hope(or calculate based on automatic drop order) that u will find them on your attack that will follow.

I vote for 2 castles per player
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby myfriendkyle on Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:20 pm

natty_dread wrote:Reverting to neutral always happens at the beginning of your turn.



Yes I understand that, but I think for this map The King should revert to neutral at the beginning of anyone's turn, not just the person that holds it. As I stated above, by it not reverting to neutral you are given the ability to use it at basically no expense to the next player. Of course the player before you could have had the "foresight" to leave seven of HIS troops to block your advance, only to be wiped out and replaced by seven neutrals when it got back to be his turn.

The King is only useful when someone has already gone through it and you can clean up after them... or if you have escalating spoils.

Also, in a team game, if two partner hold the Council they could trade the King back and forth preventing the space from ever returning to neutral.

Again, if this is the idea, then cool. I'm not going to say I know what you should do with your map. I just thought that the game would make more sense if each player had to go through the 7 neutrals on the king before being able to use him.

Can the xml or whatever have a space that reverts to neutral at the beginning of each player's turn? I don't even know if it's possible, but this is what I think would be ideal for this space on this map.

Cheers.
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby natty dread on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:30 am

That's not possible.
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby Huegelkoenig on Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:27 am

generally speaking, i like this map, there's just one thing that keeps annoying me.
its about the counsellors...
their order in the game is
Lord Chamberlain, The Duke, The Bishop, Field Marshal
but in the dropdwonmenu, where you can select where to attack (from) - or reinforce (from) - they are ordered alphabeticaly
field marshal, lord chamberlain, the bishop, the duke

so i would suggest to simply change their order on the map (and the order of their description on the top right corner) into an alphabetical one, so their order would coincide with the order on the dropdownmenu
this wouldnt change the gameplay in any kind, but would improve the handling of the game, since you dont always have to watch out for the names of them.
or simply rename them in the dropdownmenu to something like
Co1: Lord Chamberlain, Co2: The Duke, Co3: The Bishop, Co4: Field Marshal
so you wouldnt need to photoshop the map
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby MrBenn on Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:13 am

chipv wrote:Ok I have word this change may be a week or so away
The discussion about starting positions and a potential adjustment to the way the xml works is pretty much the only thing keeping this map in Beta. Chip and I have decided to wait a couple of weeks to see if lack can pull a trick out of the bag for us...
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:32 am

MrBenn wrote:
chipv wrote:Ok I have word this change may be a week or so away
The discussion about starting positions and a potential adjustment to the way the xml works is pretty much the only thing keeping this map in Beta. Chip and I have decided to wait a couple of weeks to see if lack can pull a trick out of the bag for us...


that would be sweet :)
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby jefjef on Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:32 pm

Fun and interesting map Kab and crew! =D>

I recently tried to fort Castle F with troops from Noble D and it ended up being

reinforced Noble F with 4 troops from Noble D

Please confirm that the XML is correct and that I only mis-clicked.

Thanks!
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Re: The King's Court [GP,GX,XML,BETA]

Postby Kabanellas on Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:49 pm

jefjef wrote:Fun and interesting map Kab and crew! =D>

I recently tried to fort Castle F with troops from Noble D and it ended up being

reinforced Noble F with 4 troops from Noble D

Please confirm that the XML is correct and that I only mis-clicked.

Thanks!


thank you Jef ! ... you probably miss-clicked the XML seems correct ;)
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