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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:01 pm

Like the map.

A minor issue. The "U" in Ulundi touches the border of Ewoi, making it look like it E. connects to Amsterdam. I realize repeate play makes it clear, but why cause unneeded misunderstandings?

otherwise like the map.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby theBastard on Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:13 pm

Helix, border between Bloemfontain and Winburg could be redrawn. the fort looks that is touching with Winburg and also there is not clear that Bloemfontain has also border with Potchefstroom.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby musteriuz on Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:48 pm

I am so gld to finally welcome a South African map to CC. There was a nice one in development about the current RSA, but that never got finished so this is great news. Just two possible spelling errors: Levdenburg should be Leydenburg I think, and I am far more unsure about this one, but Donottar may need to be Dunottar. I could be completely wrong though, and anyway I am excited about this one getting final approval - good luck!
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Leehar on Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:47 am

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/images3/ ... 885map.jpg
where it does look like levdenburg
I'm not sure about the ship tho, since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Dunottar_Castle was only built in 1889
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby ender516 on Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:05 am

Is this the same town that I found in Wikipedia which is now called Lydenburg? I think the cartographer of that map you linked to did not have to go through a Map Foundry where people would point out how the letter "y" is lying directly on top of a river.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:40 pm

I picked the RMS Dunottar Castle because of its use a troop ship during the second Boer war... the idea of this map was to depict the various conflicts in SA in the last half of the 19th c. So things like ship names are nods to that. The 1885 is more a guide than the actual year represented... i didn't want the map to be confused with any future modern SA maps.

As for Levdenburg... obviously map standards were much lower then. I'll change it to Leydenburg with the next update.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby myfriendkyle on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:18 pm

I know this is late in the stage to make this comment, but I feel like the map insert on this is waaaaay too big. Seems kind of silly to have the realy map and then another map that is only half it's size. Looks strange, but whatevs! I feel like it would be better with a list or a smaller less definded map.

Great map otherwise!
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Willy! on Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:01 pm

wow what a refreshing beta map! us simple players have been bombarded with all these complex beta maps lately and this is a refreshing departure from those. very well done Industrial Helix!
I have one issue though. I play mostly 1 vs. 1 sequential games and prefer maps that dont give the player with the first turn a huge advantage. This is sadly one of those maps, since the first player starts with 12 regions. I'm not sure that could be adjusted but if it could be reduced to 11 starting regions that would make me much more satisfied to play this map 1 vs. 1!

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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:06 pm

Ok, I made the suggested changes to the large map... I figured I'd let you guys take a gander at Swaziland in gray before I make the changes to the small map.

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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby theBastard on Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:24 pm

good. I resaize it to small version and everything looks fine. ;)
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby nikola_milicki on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:35 pm

why did I get my bonus doubled twice?

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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Leehar on Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:06 pm

nikola_milicki wrote:why did I get my bonus doubled twice?

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Forts and ships double bonuses, you had the Pietermaritzburg fort, so it doubled the Transvaal bonus.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby natty dread on Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:43 pm

I think I see the misunderstanding here.

Nikola thinks it means that the bonuses only double for one round. This is not possible with the XML, bonuses are static and can't be made to change round-to-round.

That bonuses only double once means that if you hold a fort, your bonuses are doubled, but if you hold two forts, your bonuses won't be quadrupled, ie. they won't be doubled twice. Only once.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Gilligan on Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:34 pm

natty_dread wrote:I think I see the misunderstanding here.

Nikola thinks it means that the bonuses only double for one round. This is not possible with the XML, bonuses are static and can't be made to change round-to-round.

That bonuses only double once means that if you hold a fort, your bonuses are doubled, but if you hold two forts, your bonuses won't be quadrupled, ie. they won't be doubled twice. Only once.


Ahhh see that's what confused me when writing the XML
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:42 pm

Anything else before I submit the latest image to the man?
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Gilligan on Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:47 pm

Why isn't fileden letting me download the XML to change :(

The reason I ask is because the file I have saved is on a different computer...
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby natty dread on Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:22 am

Type the url of the xml to your browser, then right click and select save page.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:47 pm

Here's the images:

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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:50 am

Pretoria concerns me. It makes the Transvaal bonus far more obtainable. I suggest a bonus value decrease to four, or let Leydenburg connect to Amsterdam or Rustenburg connect to Potchefstroom. I prefer a border fix over a bonus decrease, myself.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby FarangDemon on Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:59 am

I think the new color for Swaziland resolves the problem.

I think the current value of +5 for Transvaal is fitting. True only three territories to defend, but they span 5 different bordering bonuses. And at seven territories, it's by far the largest bonus, with second place having only five territories.
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby hendrr on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:41 pm

natty_dread wrote:I think I see the misunderstanding here.

Nikola thinks it means that the bonuses only double for one round. This is not possible with the XML, bonuses are static and can't be made to change round-to-round.

That bonuses only double once means that if you hold a fort, your bonuses are doubled, but if you hold two forts, your bonuses won't be quadrupled, ie. they won't be doubled twice. Only once.


I think the wording on the bottom "Bonuses double only once." should be clearer. Some people might think that it is pointless to attack a fort or ship if they are only going to get the "double bonus" once.

I wondered how you implemented this functionality into XML and was going to be very impressed! :shock and awe:

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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby ender516 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:18 pm

Perhaps a clearer wording would be "Forts & ships contain weapons to arm your nation and will double (but not redouble) each regional bonus."
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Gilligan on Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:52 am

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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby MrBenn on Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:06 pm

I also think there should be further clarify regarding the "double once" notation. I would suggest something along these lines:

"Forts and ships contain weapons to arm your nation. Holding any fort or ship will double all the region bonuses."
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Re: South Africa 1885 - BETA!

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:22 pm

MrBenn wrote:I also think there should be further clarify regarding the "double once" notation. I would suggest something along these lines:

"Forts and ships contain weapons to arm your nation. Holding any fort or ship will double all the region bonuses."

What about "Holding any fort or ship will double any regional bonus?
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