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US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:34 pm

I don't think this will turn out how a lot of people think it might....

Let's see

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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:38 pm

Um... what kind of military action are you talking about?
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:49 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Um... what kind of military action are you talking about?


well, probably any action is action, but I suppose some could argue we should go in there and get Gaddafi, other might argue we should provide boots on the ground to support rebels, it could be naval bombardment of palaces.

Obama could order a pre-emptive strike, like a 72 hour thing. What if Gaddafi goes WMD? I know anything can happen but I hate waiting until after it happens to talk about it.
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:07 pm

Oh, so nothing was officially said on behalf of the US regarding military action in Libya?

If so, just cut off supplies to the current Libyan government, using rhetoric side with the uprising which will most likely win, and see what happens. In the civilian controlled cities, the WSJ was reporting that the oil was still flowing through... so if that remains the case, then let it be.
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby patches70 on Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:08 am

The US and England are moving forces in to create a no-fly zone over parts/all of Libya. This much is almost sure to happen in the next week or so. I am not sure what much else we can do, we really don't have the troops available to put boots on the ground.

Personally, I think that Scotland should take the lead in all this. Let them enforce a no-fly zone and put "peacekeepers" in there. After all, they have to protect their oil contracts they got for releasing that Libyan Pan-Am bomber terrorists bastard....
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Qwert on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:36 pm

these is funny,again americans hurry to attack someone who dont attack america.
These is not nato or american war. What if some american soldier die? Who will be responsibile?
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:39 pm

qwert wrote:these is funny,again americans hurry to attack someone who dont attack america.
These is not nato or american war. What if some american soldier die? Who will be responsibile?


Actually, it was just a question about what everyone else thinks. Nobody has voted yes yet, including myself.
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:42 pm

oh yeah right AOG. :lol: okay now there is one....
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:42 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:If so, just cut off supplies to the current Libyan government, using rhetoric side with the uprising which will most likely win, and see what happens. In the civilian controlled cities, the WSJ was reporting that the oil was still flowing through... so if that remains the case, then let it be.


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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:53 pm

Wondering if the changes in the Middle East are going to affect the US pullout of Iraq?
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby patches70 on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:54 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Wondering if the changes in the Middle East are going to affect the US pullout of Iraq?


What makes you think we will ever leave Iraq? Hell, we still got troops in Japan and Germany and WWII was over going past 65 years now.....
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:55 pm

patches70 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Wondering if the changes in the Middle East are going to affect the US pullout of Iraq?


What makes you think we will ever leave Iraq? Hell, we still got troops in Japan and Germany and WWII was over going past 65 years now.....


We have troops EVERYWHERE. Even in the countries we "don't".
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:09 pm

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patches70 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Wondering if the changes in the Middle East are going to affect the US pullout of Iraq?


What makes you think we will ever leave Iraq? Hell, we still got troops in Japan and Germany and WWII was over going past 65 years now.....


We have troops EVERYWHERE. Even in the countries we "don't".


politically speaking, I can totally see Obama telling us that nobody can come home from Iraq. I should have used the word "drawdown" instead of pullout. My bad
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:17 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
patches70 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Wondering if the changes in the Middle East are going to affect the US pullout of Iraq?


What makes you think we will ever leave Iraq? Hell, we still got troops in Japan and Germany and WWII was over going past 65 years now.....


We have troops EVERYWHERE. Even in the countries we "don't".


politically speaking, I can totally see Obama telling us that nobody can come home from Iraq. I should have used the word "drawdown" instead of pullout. My bad


Aka Just the tip, not pull out
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Re: US Military Action in Libya?

Postby Ray Rider on Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:39 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I don't think this will turn out how a lot of people think it might....

Let's see

I'm curious what you were expecting.

Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Um... what kind of military action are you talking about?


well, probably any action is action, but I suppose some could argue we should go in there and get Gaddafi, other might argue we should provide boots on the ground to support rebels, it could be naval bombardment of palaces.

Obama could order a pre-emptive strike, like a 72 hour thing. What if Gaddafi goes WMD? I know anything can happen but I hate waiting until after it happens to talk about it.

On the one hand, the US is in no condition economically to support another war. Even if it were, what business does it have there? They've been burning American flags and saying the US is the "great satan" for years. There's no reason for a pre-emptive strike, since it's no threat to any other nation (except for the civil unrest spreading, which could be a good thing in any neighboring, repressive nations). When the populace of a nation rise up and overthrow their dictator on their own, then the responsibility of their actions rests solely with them. It forces those citizens to cooperate if it is going to succeed, which makes that cooperation and interdependence much more likely to continue when the time comes to set up the succeeding government. Also, what about every other nation which is experiencing civil unrest due to repressive leadership? If the US steps in here, why not in Egypt, Tunisia, or any other nation in the future? When do you stop? And why stop at a no-fly zone? May as well send in troops. I don't know, it's tough to avoid a slipperly slope on the issue.

On the other hand, I could support a no-fly zone implemented by a few nations (why should the US bear the brunt of the cost? Let some other nations step in a shoulder their part of the load). A no-fly zone would end some of the worst atrocities going on there and would make a massive uprising much more possible for any civilians desiring greater freedom.

P.S. I voted "no," since I don't believe this is mainly the US' responsibility. I'm curious to hear Saxi's conspiracy theory on this uprising and how it was all organized by the US, Jews, and global elite lol

P.P.S. On another side note, if it was justified and a moral imperative for the US to invade Iraq and oust Saddam because of the atrocities he committed, then it is justified and a moral imperative to do the same in Libya now (leaving the issue of WMDs to the side for the moment, since that hasn't been an issue in Libya for quite some time now, and many question if it even was one of the original reasons for invading Iraq--besides as a cover story).

P.P.P.S. IMHO Obama has done a terrible job on foreign relations and policy which is where, ironically, he was expected to shine.

P.P.P.P.S. Michael J. Totten, an independent reporter on the Middle East, wrote an interesting account of his trip there a couple of years ago. If you're interested in getting a feel for what the civilians were saying (or couldn't say) about Qaddafi and even just one man's description of what it's like over there, I would recommend it.
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