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Should scapula get his premium back

Poll ended at Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:25 pm

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Re: Scapula

Postby xAceZxPoseidonx on Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Guys- Scapula did break the rules, but should he have to pay $50 to play again? I mean can the mods not just ban him from playing the players he has played against in the past? that seems to be a generally fair punishment. Now as for scap there was no malicious intent, the mods could just give him his original account back, delete this one, and give him his premium back. Problem solved.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Evil Semp on Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:22 pm

Namor wrote:Yes, it did... thank you. I wasn't aware that there are so many reasons for cheaters opening a second account. Although Scapula's reason was one of a few genuine mistakes, I can see how difficult it would be for the hunters to determine the intent.

Since reading of the many other reasons for cheaters setting up a second account, I can fully understand the sites approach. Although, I think it's a shame that individual cases such as this, can't be resolved by quietly slapping the guys wrist and reimbursing his fee. That said, I can also understand how it could create more work for those volunteers that hunt the cheats down.

So Scapula, based on a number of factors from both sides, my vote is now NO. Although I believe your acount of things, I think you will have to accept that you broke an agreement you made, when signing up.


This is all I can say about this. Scapula is NOT being completely upfront about everything. We have enough things available that I can not and will not disclose, but if I did I think 99% of his supporters would change their minds.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Commander62890 on Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:03 pm

Evil Semp wrote:Scapula is NOT being completely upfront about everything. We have enough things available that I can not and will not disclose, but if I did I think 99% of his supporters would change their minds.

I suppose it's hard to argue Scapula's case publicly if we don't know all the facts.

But how about this: let's say that there was no further information.

In all future cases such as this (that don't have secret Multi-Hunter facts), give the players a slap on the wrist and don't confiscate their money after the first offense.
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Re: Scapula

Postby JelleR on Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:59 pm

Scapula wrote:Woodruf: That's fine by me. I'll play as Jimi or Scapula. I don't care. All I want to do is play. What I'm really annoyed about is that an honest mistake has cost me fifteen quid which I handed over in the first place as a nice gesture of my appreciation.

Conquer Club can refund me my money and never hear from me again. They have that choice open to them.

As for you JelleR, there's really no need to be so condescending. So far, this has been a very reasonable discussion between a group of reasonable people. Please don't spoil it.


Cmon now. First you ask Semp to invite you for a game and then you go "Sadly I cant because Im not premium". The link there is obvious.

Also, your whole "great injustice" spiel is just nonsense (even posting on peoples walls!). Own up to your mistakes. The rules are very clear. You could have just contacted the site owners and explained your situation before you created a second account and ticked the "I will only ever have one account" box. Debating whether its a fair rule after you agreed with it is idiotic and I will call it as I see it.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Woodruff on Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Commander62890 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Commander62890 wrote:But I am looking at it from an intent point of view - he made a small mistake; he didn't mean to break the rules.


I agree with your general point on this. However, not in this case...it seems Scapula did log into the other account after they were busted as multis.


Yes, that is unfortunate evidence against Jimi/Scapula.

But - and it seems like you'll probably agree with me on this - Despite the fact that Scapula should have known better and was clearly breaking a very good CC policy, he should still be awarded a second chance.
In this specific case, with the second account upgrading to premium and no recent games being played on the first account, a two-strike penalty system should be instituted.
He has not played any games on his first account (Jimi) for a long time.
Just tranfer the premium there, "guest" the second account (Scapula), and give him one more chance.
If it happens again, he loses his premium.
It may seem to some that I am asking for undue lenience, but I don't think I am.


I actually don't agree, but it's ONLY because of the door this opens up for folks who want to have a
"start over chance" on the site, making their previous losses, poor winning percentages and "learning the maps" go away. Because of that reason, I don't think that Scapula should be able to keep his premium. IF he hadn't logged in to his account and ONLY BECAUSE of the long time span that would have elapsed since he had been here previous to that, I would agree with you.

Commander62890 wrote:Just because a rule has existed for a long time does not that mean it cannot be undone. CC should not feel a need to stand by a rule just to maintain the idea that it is always right. If a rule needs to be altered slightly, it should be done.


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Re: Scapula

Postby Woodruff on Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:20 pm

thebest712 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
thebest712 wrote:well I just would do rule like this, if you play only on one account, the second account gets deleted/blocked/inactivated if they still can play on first, if they play on both= bust


The problem with this is someone can "fix their crappy score" right quick by creating a new account.


I think this is misunderstood again, this is not allowed, you stay on your first account, but when making a new account the new accounts becomes inactive and he can go back on first, and gets a warning.


This situation clearly shows that is not the case.
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Re: Scapula

Postby sonicsteve on Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:55 pm

No idea why this guy felt the need to spam my wall since I don't remember even playing with him.

I voted No which was mainly on the basis that he seems to be spamming random walls after creating multiple accounts.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Valykrie on Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:23 am

First of all, you agreed to never make another account when you signed up. If you could not log in, you could have hit the "I forgot my username or password" button. If you tried this several time and could not get an email, or if your email-validated password/username was denied, you could have filed a complaint or sent an email to the CC owner(s). Those sections are clearly seen in the "Help" section, which you would notice if you looked at the tabs on top of the page. As for thier "Allowing you to make as many accounts as you want if you can pay for it", I doubt they do that. But if they do, that is thier right to let you pay for continual membership as they are a private entity. They are actually being generous letting you keep even one of your accounts. I suppose it is questionable whether they have the right to keep your money, as i believe CC does not specify whether or not you can get your money back if your Premium Membership id taken away before it expires, so if you want to take them to court over $25, go ahead. :roll: But logically, morally, and legally, I do not believe CC has done anything wrong (Other than the previously mentioned no refund (possible) fault). I shall vote NO.
Edit: sorry for my many typos, my keyboard is slippery.
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Re: Scapula

Postby sonicsteve on Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:46 am

Valykrie wrote:my keyboard is slippery.


You need to buy more tissues.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Valykrie on Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:50 am

sonicsteve wrote:
Valykrie wrote:my keyboard is slippery.


You need to buy more tissues.


They're not slippery anymore, thank you.
Back on-topic now everyone :D
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Re: Scapula

Postby chipv on Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:06 am

Evil Semp wrote:
This is all I can say about this. Scapula is NOT being completely upfront about everything. We have enough things available that I can not and will not disclose, but if I did I think 99% of his supporters would change their minds.


You have already disclosed enough to convince me, especially since it was a reasonably convincing argument for the offender.
Successfully logging into the old account in March bascially tells enough of the story and I'm sure you have plenty of more information you can't share.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Valykrie on Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:10 am

As for the March 10 login, that proved he could get into his old account, and thus had no need for the 2nd account.
Unless he can somehow convince me that wasn't him...
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Re: Scapula

Postby Scapula on Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:33 pm

I'm now weary from the circular arguments, tired of all the pettiness and no longer want either form of membership.  

Accordingly, I have changed my vote to "No".

I will complete my last four games only for the sake of my opponents and have now commenced action to receive a refund directly from Salamander Software.  For those of you who have had a similar experience to me but paid the extortative additional fee, I suggest you try to do the same.  You'll get nowhere with these poorly hung jobsworths and their subserviant cohort of cloying devotees. 

To those of you with the reason and common sense to have supported me, I thank you.  May the dice be with you.

To those who might feel like taking an uncomplimentary swipe at my expense, please accept this as a standard and suitably thoughtless retort.  f*ck off. 
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Re: Scapula

Postby Valykrie on Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:45 pm

Scapula wrote:I'm now weary from the circular arguments, tired of all the pettiness and no longer want either form of membership.  

Accordingly, I have changed my vote to "No".

I will complete my last four games only for the sake of my opponents and have now commenced action to receive a refund directly from Salamander Software.  For those of you who have had a similar experience to me but paid the extortative additional fee, I suggest you try to do the same.  You'll get nowhere with these poorly hung jobsworths and their subserviant cohort of cloying devotees. 

To those of you with the reason and common sense to have supported me, I thank you.  May the dice be with you.

To those who might feel like taking an uncomplimentary swipe at my expense, please accept this as a standard and suitably thoughtless retort.  f*ck off. 


Wow. That's pretty lame, quitting just because of an arguement you don't have to pay attention to. You said you're getting a refund, so why not continue playing? Because of a thread that's completely ignorable? :-s
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Re: Scapula

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:13 pm

Scapula wrote:I'm now weary from the circular arguments, tired of all the pettiness and no longer want either form of membership.  

Accordingly, I have changed my vote to "No".

I will complete my last four games only for the sake of my opponents and have now commenced action to receive a refund directly from Salamander Software.  For those of you who have had a similar experience to me but paid the extortative additional fee, I suggest you try to do the same.  You'll get nowhere with these poorly hung jobsworths and their subserviant cohort of cloying devotees. 

To those of you with the reason and common sense to have supported me, I thank you.  May the dice be with you.

To those who might feel like taking an uncomplimentary swipe at my expense, please accept this as a standard and suitably thoughtless retort.  f*ck off. 


Next time, don't cheat.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Evil Semp on Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:28 pm

He is tired of the pettiness but he is the one calling us names. Go figure.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Valykrie on Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:33 pm

"I'm tired of pettiness. F**k off."
That's basically all he said.
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Re: Scapula

Postby natty dread on Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:40 pm

Scapula wrote:I'm now weary from the circular arguments, tired of all the pettiness and no longer want either form of membership.  

Accordingly, I have changed my vote to "No".

I will complete my last four games only for the sake of my opponents and have now commenced action to receive a refund directly from Salamander Software.  For those of you who have had a similar experience to me but paid the extortative additional fee, I suggest you try to do the same.  You'll get nowhere with these poorly hung jobsworths and their subserviant cohort of cloying devotees. 

To those of you with the reason and common sense to have supported me, I thank you.  May the dice be with you.

To those who might feel like taking an uncomplimentary swipe at my expense, please accept this as a standard and suitably thoughtless retort.  f*ck off. 


You won't get a refund. Good bye and good riddance.
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Re: Scapula

Postby killercheez on Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:41 pm

im sorry scapula but after all this i change my vote 2 no
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Re: Scapula

Postby ESQuire on Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:51 pm

I also voted no. This is the prime rule. It is made very clear. I don't understand why you opened the second account when you knew it was strictly forbidden. Why not just use your old account, unless you were trying to gain some advantage from the action... like dropping a low point account to start fresh.
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Re: Scapula

Postby codeblue1018 on Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:33 am

Valykrie wrote:"I'm tired of pettiness. F**k off."
That's basically all he said.



Evil, is this guy a multi?? :lol:
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Re: Scapula

Postby Arethusa on Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:22 am

If you paid by credit card claim the refund back from your credit card provider. Having said that, I agree that each case should be treated on its own merits, and in your case you should get your premium back.
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Re: Scapula

Postby macbone on Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:00 pm

Scapula, I have to hand it to you. You're obviously a smart guy - the diciton in your last post alone is enough to bear that out - and you almost had me sympathizing with you, but your choice to take the low road and resort to name-calling and being personally offensive destroyed any goodwill you might have engendered with me.

If I break the rules in a bar and am forcibly ejected, I don't get my cover charge back. If I plagiarize a paper and am disenrolled, I don't get my tuition back. Next time, suck it up, accept the responsibility of your actions, and move on.
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Re: Scapula

Postby Hannibał on Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:20 pm

macbone wrote:Scapula, I have to hand it to you. You're obviously a smart guy - the diciton in your last post alone is enough to bear that out - and you almost had me sympathizing with you, but your choice to take the low road and resort to name-calling and being personally offensive destroyed any goodwill you might have engendered with me.

If I break the rules in a bar and am forcibly ejected, I don't get my cover charge back. If I plagiarize a paper and am disenrolled, I don't get my tuition back. Next time, suck it up, accept the responsibility of your actions, and move on.


Co sign to that first paragraph. And to think I wasted so much time typing the good fight.. allwell.
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Re: Scapula

Postby liverpoolfc on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:56 am

The way I see it nothing in life is black and white, if you make an honest mistake and there are extenuating circumstances then they should be taken into account.

It appears from looking at this thread that he has been presumed guilty, pretty rough if you ask me.

Personally I think he should have either had his premium membership reinstated or offered a refund. Pretty petty that it's come to all this and I can understand his frustration, just another reason i'm glad I haven't stumped up the cash for premium membership. Good will goes a long way and having played Scapula i've found him to be an honest player.

Epic fail to conquerclub, I won't be recommending this service to anyone else anymore, common sense doesn't prevail once again.

Anyway that's my two-cents.
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