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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Gold Knight on Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:40 pm

nagerous wrote:Then why have perception lists at all? Things were much easier when we could just all collectively pick on jpcloet and his maths.


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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Rodion on Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:44 pm

Gold Knight wrote:
nagerous wrote:Then why have perception lists at all? Things were much easier when we could just all collectively pick on jpcloet and his maths.


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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby jpcloet on Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:27 pm

Are you not all having fun with the current 3 ratings out there? I will renew my beatings soon enough. I am a glutton for punishment, however, my maths is getting less mathier and more simpler, all I have to do in a leap is add and subtract and occasionally divide by 2.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Gold Knight on Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:40 pm

jpcloet wrote:Are you not all having fun with the current 3 ratings out there? I will renew my beatings soon enough. I am a glutton for punishment, however, my maths is getting less mathier and more simpler, all I have to do in a leap is add and subtract and occasionally divide by 2.


Im sure that there are several out there that will look for the addition of a multiplicative function, claiming using only 3 of the 4 basic mathematic functions skews the data... :lol:
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby shocked439 on Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:43 pm

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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:46 pm

jpcloet wrote:Are you not all having fun with the current 3 ratings out there? I will renew my beatings soon enough. I am a glutton for punishment, however, my maths is getting less mathier and more simpler, all I have to do in a leap is add and subtract and occasionally divide by 2.



Haha, I do love stopping by form time to time and reading the arguments going on about all of this. My personal opinion on the matter is all that anyone cares about is how other people perceive their clan to be and that is why I run my poll. I think it does a very good job of portraying exactly that but I will never be one to claim the results I list are the absolute truth. I think a leap ladder or some other math based ladder would be great to use also. In the meantime, I will just keep doing what I am doing.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby jpcloet on Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:57 am

shocked439 wrote:Image


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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Gold Knight on Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:22 pm

jpcloet wrote:
shocked439 wrote:Image


In our comedy routine GK is the funny one and I'm the straight man.


Just as long as your keep your hand out of my puppet-hole, we'll be fine... :shock:
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:34 pm

Did anyone else spot the irony between that picture and the name of the player who posted it?
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Rodion on Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:53 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:Did anyone else spot the irony between that picture and the name of the player who posted it?


Nice catch! Maybe he speaks on personal experience?
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby khazalid on Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:56 am

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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Eyestone on Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:52 pm

Rodion wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:
nagerous wrote:Then why have perception lists at all? Things were much easier when we could just all collectively pick on jpcloet and his maths.


Thank you, been waiting for someone to get the torches back out... BURN HIM! :lol:


He turned me into a newt!


I see that you got better ;)
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Blitzaholic on Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:42 am

Dako wrote:I think we are talking about different lists here.

I see at least 3 here.

1. How well a clan may perform in the next challenge. Means current line up strength only. No past achievements count. (this is how I see power rankings)
2. Which clan has accomplished more (clan war wins, league wins, tournament wins, event wins) in 1 year. No past achievements count (there is no such ranking I fear).
3. Which clan has been the strongest in the end of the year, counting all previous achievements and successes. (this is how I see blitz's ranking).


I think blitz thinks that his ranking is #2 when it is actually #3. And most people vote on different basis and the approach to rank the clans differ.



That is a good point dako, however, #2 you also must look at the strength of clans you faced and not just the wins, and I think most would agree for 2010 we faced harder competition than tofu did, it is why many voted Thota #1 for chuuuuck's power rankings. This bodes well for #1 as well, as #2 speaks to #1. #3 is not just the end of the year for perceptions, it is the entire year, I never considered it to be counting all previous achievements and successes, but, perhaps some do. So, this is a good point for discusison, hence the word "perception" and how different players see clan performance and strength.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:24 am

Am I pissed or is this just gobbledegook?
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Dako on Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:28 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:That is a good point dako, however, #2 you also must look at the strength of clans you faced and not just the wins, and I think most would agree for 2010 we faced harder competition than tofu did, it is why many voted Thota #1 for chuuuuck's power rankings. This bodes well for #1 as well, as #2 speaks to #1. #3 is not just the end of the year for perceptions, it is the entire year, I never considered it to be counting all previous achievements and successes, but, perhaps some do. So, this is a good point for discusison, hence the word "perception" and how different players see clan performance and strength.

I have to disagree with you here. You are trying to excuse THOTA for grabbing #1 spot in all the rankings and therefore you skew the definitions of the rankings. No one is blaming you that the rest of CC see you as strongest. That leads to you saying that there is a strength of the clan and so on. You try to tie things together so your ranking looks healthy and valid, but I doubt that is the point.

Your rankings (I mean the results) do not resemble yearly ranking in a slightest way. I am still amuses TSM is there (and THOTA being #1, but that is another story). I think it is not your fault, but how you had announced the rankings. It was never clear what you meant as 2010 perception. You have never defined the correct way to rank the clans. Next, you merged them with Power Rankings (why?) and that was totally different rankings. Even if we say that your initial rankings were yearly based (which is false, I think) after the merge they became like "total rankings of the year", being neither power rankings, nor the yearly perception rankings. In the end, THOTA happened to get #1 place, well, it is a fact. But you started this as a perception of clans by year (without past accomplishments) but in the end (your fault is here) it became a totally different rankings.

I think the main reason behind that is in two things: 1) you never told what this rankings really is and how one should rank clans; 2) you merged them with latest Power Rankings. After that you kind of had the results, but they were not "annual perception" results anymore. Therefore I think your list is invalid and you should either change the title, or redo the rankings, or redo the definition of how this rankings should be perceived.
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