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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

If you enjoy spending time planning your moves, solving math problems and like the convenience of playing sequential and not having to conduct tedious diplomacy, I'd recommend sequential escalating 6-8 players. Sure you can lose because of bad dice or other players bungles/bad dice, but part of the skill is knowing where to place your troops in order to maximize your success. Over time, if you are skilled, you will win more than you lose and your score will rise. You can make it up to mid-general doing this, that's when the competition thins out.

I recommend playing with those your own score (or higher, if they'll let you).
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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

Well, my opinion to this is straight forward,
the rules above seem logical , thats fine, but why dont you mention the real strategy to get to the top quickly?

Every game to play with kiron, him or you win , isnt it possible that you two have a silent deal?
its possible, that way, no matter which strategy u use, you both can manipulate the game accordingly, simple mathematics,
in a game of 8 guys, 6 mind their own business, one of you can always change the game, and interestingly its mostly the other ones turn, as soon one of you has finished.

If you really want to prove how good you are, let me play with one friend against you alone, you can imagine the outcome, its simple,
as soon youre out of the game, either my friend wins or me, got the point?
and dont take this personal, i just dont think you deserve your points,

and youre right, if you win to easy, there is no satisfaction or enjoyment,
neither its a challenge, that makes people eventually get bored , have fun,
maybe than youll realize how exciting this game can be,cause its not the playing part which makes it interesting, its the possibilities you are trying to make up in your head and think many ways to succed, its almost like chess, you know in your mind already the next 5 moves, and strategy changes sometimes every round, thats the funpart

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

FarangDemon wrote:If you enjoy spending time planning your moves, solving math problems and like the convenience of playing sequential and not having to conduct tedious diplomacy, I'd recommend sequential escalating 6-8 players. Sure you can lose because of bad dice or other players bungles/bad dice, but part of the skill is knowing where to place your troops in order to maximize your success. Over time, if you are skilled, you will win more than you lose and your score will rise. You can make it up to mid-general doing this, that's when the competition thins out.

I recommend playing with those your own score (or higher, if they'll let you).

Sequential games have higher level of luck. So if you want to play sequential and gain points you should only play with those your own score (or higher, if they'll let you) as FarangDemon said

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

KraphtOne wrote:And don't play K1 Game 8553895

This type of game has a very special strategy.
You have to be able play last, take the object and start first. If you can not do that do not play these settings. I think better rules would be just play, take the object and hold it till the end of the round (because in freestyle you can start before your opponent do any attacks)

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

AslanTheKing wrote:Well, my opinion to this is straight forward,
the rules above seem logical , thats fine, but why dont you mention the real strategy to get to the top quickly?

Every game to play with kiron, him or you win , isnt it possible that you two have a silent deal?
its possible, that way, no matter which strategy u use, you both can manipulate the game accordingly, simple mathematics,
in a game of 8 guys, 6 mind their own business, one of you can always change the game, and interestingly its mostly the other ones turn, as soon one of you has finished.

If you really want to prove how good you are, let me play with one friend against you alone, you can imagine the outcome, its simple,
as soon youre out of the game, either my friend wins or me, got the point?
and dont take this personal, i just dont think you deserve your points,

and youre right, if you win to easy, there is no satisfaction or enjoyment,
neither its a challenge, that makes people eventually get bored , have fun,
maybe than youll realize how exciting this game can be,cause its not the playing part which makes it interesting, its the possibilities you are trying to make up in your head and think many ways to succed, its almost like chess, you know in your mind already the next 5 moves, and strategy changes sometimes every round, thats the funpart

AslanTheKing

I will only partly agree with you.
Obviously playing with a friends is going to help you win. I do not know if they use secret diplomacy but as soon it is not obvious that they use (which is not) you can not accuse them. Accuse them for cheating only if you are sure (and you are not).
In addition Xiangwang deserves his points. He does not have a lot anyway . When he is playing with Kiron his approximate rating (the points with which he would not gain or lose points after a lot of games) might is over 5000. When he is playing alone I think his approximate rating is about 4500. You can see that from the games he is playing alone.
But playing with friends is not against the rules and a lot of players doing that.

Lets be on topic now. With the type game he is using and a very good strategy it is very easy to have 2500 points before 100 games. Actually it is not hard to have 3000+ in less than 100 games. Playing with a friend is not so important as you think. You can check my profile.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

@mc05025
since im new here , i need still to figure out how many points you get and loose in a game,
but for instance , if you play with 8 people and win the game you get maybe 15x7 - around 100 points, if you lose - then maybe around 20 points.
if 2 people play 2 games together in 2 games against 8, and everybody wins only one game and losing one game, would make -20 points for the lost game, but 100 for the won games, in total you gain out of 2 games 80 points.
i am not trying to be personal here, my point is still the same,
if 2 play together, they will eventually play in a way that one of them has the win at the end,
yes it is legal to play with a friend.
i dont want to use the word cheating, my point is very simple, it influences the outcome of the game and the game itself.

I would have had a different view if there would have not been so many games played together with kiron, thats the only reason why i am not overwhelmed.
If you play that way the strategy is unimportant, its simple an alliance , and this alliance is only broken if the other players realize it, but until they do, its mostly to late.
and you cant prove it, since everybody can make his moves the way he likes it.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

2 people manipulating the other 6, to do what they want them to do,

next rule, always go first for the experienced fools, take em out and win the game

next rule is diplomacy and manipulate , but in mind that the game goes to kiron or xangwang
i am having a blast and laughing ma a** off, this strategy is shortsighted and gets u exactly where u are, but after things get difficult. since nobody checks the chats and the history of games played.

great entertainment, it looks like in the chat, this two guys never met each other before,
the truce is, they have played almost every game together the same style lol,
have fun
2010-11-25 00:41:59 - Kiron: i'm interested in alton
2010-11-25 17:28:39 - xiangwang: there, i moved, happy?
2010-11-25 17:28:54 - xiangwang: i hate these dices!
2010-11-25 17:29:13 - xiangwang: losing 9 to kill 3
2010-11-25 19:02:29 - Hans Lagarde: story of the game
2010-11-25 19:03:03 - Hans Lagarde: lost 4 killed 0
2010-11-25 19:17:34 - xiangwang: really blue, u want ney that bad?
2010-11-25 19:18:32 - xiangwang: fine take it
2010-11-26 21:14:21 - pomoika: grey you are choosing to fight too many battles. i would suggest not picking another one with me.
2010-11-27 22:27:10 - downunder Inc: no green, not that bad
2010-11-28 14:02:40 - Hans Lagarde: cyan, I was gonna leave you alone over there, but if you move to me, I'm forced to counter
2010-11-28 21:06:43 - Strategy_master: thanks red - I retruned the favor
2010-11-29 01:49:32 - xiangwang: not sure if that was the best move...gg teal
2010-12-01 01:16:04 - xiangwang: i thought u would have left me alone if i didn't attack you yellow
2010-12-01 01:39:13 - xiangwang: good job coming back pink
2010-12-01 01:47:18 - Kiron: ur doing fairly well for yourself green
2010-12-01 01:47:26 - xiangwang: i could say the same for you
2010-12-01 01:47:47 - Kiron: well, ur not surrounded by enemies on all sides
2010-12-01 01:48:05 - xiangwang: i have orange and blue to worry about
2010-12-01 01:48:29 - Kiron: yeah, but orange is more interested in wellington while blue is worried about u, me, grey and pink
2010-12-01 01:48:38 - Kiron: so blue isn't much of a threat to you
2010-12-01 01:49:07 - xiangwang: u can say the same for each of your opponents too, all scared to fight because of someone else will attack
2010-12-01 01:49:18 - xiangwang: orange can actually fight me without any worries
2010-12-01 01:49:34 - Kiron: orange should be capturing picton though
2010-12-01 01:49:56 - Kiron: but point taken, but i doubt orange will fight you
2010-12-01 01:50:15 - Kiron: oranga is playing a more defensive strat of slowly expanding
2010-12-01 01:51:13 - Kiron: in the same way, u can fully concentrate on fighting orange without much worries too
2010-12-01 01:51:23 - Kiron: u don't fear artillery while orange does
2010-12-01 01:51:40 - Kiron: u actually have a slight advantage if u fight orange
2010-12-01 01:51:52 - xiangwang: perhaps, but i would rather not fight orange
2010-12-01 01:52:29 - xiangwang: orange, interested in truce until round 16 (we can extend later)
2010-12-01 01:52:34 - Kiron: lol
2010-12-01 01:52:43 - Kiron: turning into a nice politician
2010-12-01 01:53:08 - xiangwang: thanks to u sir
2010-12-01 22:26:54 - pomoika: sure sounds like a deal green... truce until the end of round 16.
2010-12-02 20:43:33 - Hans Lagarde: Well, this game is going GREAT for me.....
2010-12-03 00:58:05 - pomoika: grey i would suggest you move your troops out of picton. If not they are gone next turn
2010-12-03 23:11:27 - pomoika: you are going to lose your troops one way or another grey (once you get your 3rd card) i would suggest you use it against someone who is a threat to you
2010-12-03 23:23:32 - xiangwang: orange extend our round of truce to round 20?
2010-12-03 23:23:46 - xiangwang: red, are u sure u want to fight me
2010-12-03 23:23:58 - xiangwang: i would rather not fight
2010-12-04 01:28:35 - pomoika: ok sure the end of round 20.
2010-12-04 19:37:36 - xiangwang: gg yellow
2010-12-04 22:58:54 - Kiron: that was a retal hit blue, i have no interest in warring with you
2010-12-04 23:00:37 - Kiron: only reason i'm forced to defend against u orange, is well, u have no where else to go since u won't attack green
2010-12-04 23:00:49 - Kiron: and i'm the only player u can attack
2010-12-04 23:01:00 - Kiron: sure green, i won't fight u
2010-12-04 23:19:17 - xiangwang: i only attacked u b/c i wanted to help orange a bit out since he is my ally
2010-12-04 23:20:12 - xiangwang: i'm already doing u a favor red by attacking blue, so i think that would even the playing field between u and orange
2010-12-04 23:20:42 - xiangwang: now, if u attack me red, both orange and I will kick ur a**
2010-12-05 00:34:32 - Kiron: hm...u drive a hard bargain green
2010-12-05 00:37:50 - Kiron: pink/blue, i suggest doing something about green, he is getting very strong
2010-12-05 00:38:23 - Kiron: orange, i promise to stop warring u, if u are willing to cancel any truces with green
2010-12-05 00:41:31 - Kiron: pink, u can't afford to go slowly against grey, it's either u make truce, or take grey out in one round and use those territories for bonuses to deal with green
2010-12-05 00:41:47 - Kiron: i can't deal with both green and orange
2010-12-05 00:42:49 - Kiron: pink, u have enough troops to clean sweep grey, i promise i won't attack u, my troops on alton are mainly against grey (his attacks are a little unpredictable)
2010-12-05 00:44:19 - Kiron: use ur artillery to take out clinton 9, use IG5 to take reille 1,2, use IG6 for the rest of reille, and put the rest of ur army on IG8 and clean sweep clinton,villages, and chaisse
2010-12-05 09:12:45 - Strategy_master: better keep that promise this time red....... at least for one turn. g grey
2010-12-05 09:12:50 - Strategy_master: gg grey
2010-12-05 11:24:17 - kevkoala: thanks - bets of luck all
2010-12-05 12:07:14 - Kiron: keeping that promise
2010-12-05 18:55:49 - xiangwang: we only have 2 more round of truce orange, i expect you to keep that promise, red the moment, u touch me, i will hit u with everything i got even if it costs me the game
2010-12-05 18:56:20 - xiangwang: if u want to extend the truce orange, we could
2010-12-05 20:50:52 - xiangwang: i think we are about even, red and pink vs. orange and green
2010-12-05 20:51:21 - xiangwang: c'mon orange, we can do this
2010-12-06 02:33:59 - Kiron: nuts, i lose 25 straight against a 3 on that last atttack! stupid autoattack! wow that screwed me....
2010-12-06 02:34:17 - Kiron: i think the game is yours green...
2010-12-06 02:48:08 - xiangwang: yup, gotta love autoattack, had my best run in ages, i think 80 kills and only 40 losses
2010-12-06 03:25:21 - Strategy_master: awesome - I'm stuck
2010-12-06 05:25:55 - pomoika: lol that is funny how this one played out. Red, my plan was to save up troops and relocate down in green's area.
2010-12-06 05:26:03 - pomoika: oh well. good game
2010-12-06 05:37:04 - xiangwang: gg all

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

KraphtOne wrote:And don't play K1 Game 8553895

You got lucky in that one. I missed my turn by an accident. I was 1 minute late, i could have won that game in retal against u had i played. I have a set too :C

@aslantheking
Well, we realized that playing games against each other is fun. Nothing wrong with that. Trust me, beating someone you know in the game is an awesome feeling

I don't see the point in your rant, I only played with kiron for only a small portion of my games.
I can still win without playing with kiron and vica versa. So what's your point?
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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

Point is,
if you want to play with a friend, play doubles or 1v1
beating a friend is fun, if he has better strategy and and maybe more talent, then it will be even more success.
But in games of 8 guys, your goal will be always in favour of your teammate, without secret diplomacy.
It is just unfair to the others , since there chances are diminished, only if they are experienced they will realize it early enough to keep the powers balanced, the rest will be depending on dice and cards.

I am not rattling, i use my free speech and nothing is personal, if you take it to a personal stage, i am out of this
issue, dont have time for it, nor have i anything against you, yust against your style of play ( which is unfair to others).

And yes you are right, it is possible even with fairplay to get a colonel under 100 games.

I believe you know the game well, and if you would be playing alone in a game against other 7, you are experienced enough
to win 30 percent of your games. ( even 50 percent is possible ).

I only played with kiron for only a small portion of my games.

out of 117 games, 40 games with kiron is not a small number, thats 40 percent?
out of 40 games you won 20 times?

i do openly critisize the way or style of your gameplay,
i am not accusing you to be a cheater, or silent diplomacy or whatsoever,
i am not after you or against you,
generally this way of playing with a friend, will be unfair to others and diminish their chances.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

come on, it is so enjoyable to beat both of them in the same game

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

AslanTheKing wrote:Point is,
if you want to play with a friend, play doubles or 1v1
beating a friend is fun, if he has better strategy and and maybe more talent, then it will be even more success.
But in games of 8 guys, your goal will be always in favour of your teammate, without secret diplomacy.
It is just unfair to the others , since there chances are diminished, only if they are experienced they will realize it early enough to keep the powers balanced, the rest will be depending on dice and cards.

I am not rattling, i use my free speech and nothing is personal, if you take it to a personal stage, i am out of this
issue, dont have time for it, nor have i anything against you, yust against your style of play ( which is unfair to others).

And yes you are right, it is possible even with fairplay to get a colonel under 100 games.

I believe you know the game well, and if you would be playing alone in a game against other 7, you are experienced enough
to win 30 percent of your games. ( even 50 percent is possible ).

I only played with kiron for only a small portion of my games.

out of 117 games, 40 games with kiron is not a small number, thats 40 percent?
out of 40 games you won 20 times?

i do openly critisize the way or style of your gameplay,
i am not accusing you to be a cheater, or silent diplomacy or whatsoever,
i am not after you or against you,
generally this way of playing with a friend, will be unfair to others and diminish their chances.

Hm...interesting post. I understand where you are coming from. However, when you get to our ranks, playing just for winning points gets a little stale. We need some extra fun to make our games enjoyable. The only exta fun we can find is playing with friends or people u are familiar with at the moment. Beating strangers/randoms is fine, but gets a little stale. Actually with conquisitor and mc, it's getting more fun seeing familiar faces and beating them. I don't mind beating them or losing to them as much since i gain more points/lose less points Nice to have higher ranks play freestyle/flatrate games, never seem to find them in my earlier 200 games.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

In your strategy guide, you explained that shield is probably the best way to go once it gets down to three players. What do you do if the general troop count gets to high? Currently I'm in a stalemated game, and although I have the advantage, I don't have enough of one to win.

Do you have a strategy for this kind of thing? Currently for me it's pretty much waiting forever for the gap in our troop counts to get big enough and hoping the other players don't decide to plow into me.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

very interesting scenario. Usually in stalemate games, I tend to not want to be the strongest. Usually I like to attack both players (to appear fair) to wittle down my troops count (i know it sounds bizarre) until the two other players appear about equal strength. This way you will seem the weakest and the other two will not attack you but be more concerned about the other. When they beat the snot out of each other, the game becomes chaotic again and hopefully u can find some opportunity to win again.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

Game 9149187

I read this thread four or five days ago... and was thinking, wow... these are some really interesting strategies... I really want to try them out one day. I'd also been dying to play against mc, kiron, or xiang for ages.

Well, I can attest that it definitely works :p

Pity Xiangwang wasn't in it too... I would've loved to see him in action too.

So thanks alot guys Your strategies and hints helped me learn a lot. Aiming for colonel by game 400 now... though we'll see if I ever reach it... i have too much fun playing the random 1v1s and exploring the weirder maps out there
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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

tennischamp5 wrote:Game 9149187

I read this thread four or five days ago... and was thinking, wow... these are some really interesting strategies... I really want to try them out one day. I'd also been dying to play against mc, kiron, or xiang for ages.

Well, I can attest that it definitely works :p

Pity Xiangwang wasn't in it too... I would've loved to see him in action too.

So thanks alot guys Your strategies and hints helped me learn a lot. Aiming for colonel by game 400 now... though we'll see if I ever reach it... i have too much fun playing the random 1v1s and exploring the weirder maps out there

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

tennischamp5 wrote:Game 9149187

I read this thread four or five days ago... and was thinking, wow... these are some really interesting strategies... I really want to try them out one day. I'd also been dying to play against mc, kiron, or xiang for ages.

Well, I can attest that it definitely works :p

Pity Xiangwang wasn't in it too... I would've loved to see him in action too.

So thanks alot guys Your strategies and hints helped me learn a lot. Aiming for colonel by game 400 now... though we'll see if I ever reach it... i have too much fun playing the random 1v1s and exploring the weirder maps out there

so why not do both?

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

Hey, I'd love to if I could, but idk if i quite am skilled enough to hit colonel while also playing maps i don't know. Maps like AOR2, monsters, poland, etc I lose quite a bit just cause I haven't fully learnt the maps yet. It's taking everything I have just to break even at major to compensate for those :p
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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

Kiron wrote:very interesting scenario. Usually in stalemate games, I tend to not want to be the strongest. Usually I like to attack both players (to appear fair) to wittle down my troops count (i know it sounds bizarre) until the two other players appear about equal strength. This way you will seem the weakest and the other two will not attack you but be more concerned about the other. When they beat the snot out of each other, the game becomes chaotic again and hopefully u can find some opportunity to win again.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

mc05025 wrote:
FarangDemon wrote:If you enjoy spending time planning your moves, solving math problems and like the convenience of playing sequential and not having to conduct tedious diplomacy, I'd recommend sequential escalating 6-8 players. Sure you can lose because of bad dice or other players bungles/bad dice, but part of the skill is knowing where to place your troops in order to maximize your success. Over time, if you are skilled, you will win more than you lose and your score will rise. You can make it up to mid-general doing this, that's when the competition thins out.

I recommend playing with those your own score (or higher, if they'll let you).

Sequential games have higher level of luck. So if you want to play sequential and gain points you should only play with those your own score (or higher, if they'll let you) as FarangDemon said

I don't agree that success in sequential is more attributed to luck than success in freestyle. Maybe dice luck factors more heavily in sequential games, but timing luck is a factor for freestyle.

Reflexes and ability to formulate successful strategies rapidly are perhaps the greatest traits of the freestyle player, but there is a large element of luck due to timing. Even the greatest freestyle player cannot be online 24-7, and so this player will be vulnerable while they are sleeping, working, going to the bathroom or embracing their lover - whether you or your opponents happen to be online at the right time is then out of your complete control and essentially due to luck.

You can make your luck in freestyle by being online more often than your opponent and looking at his time zone to determine when he will be vulnerable. In the same way, you can make your luck in sequential by formulating a great strategy. By "make your luck", I just mean mitigate the negative effects that bad luck would otherwise cause.

I had thought that freestyle players must commit more time to playing in order to be successful (because it helps if you can check the games around the clock in case an opportunity presents itself). But it is possible that I spend more time analyzing my moves in just a few games than a freestyle player actually spends logged in conducting attacks in possibly more games. So maybe both game types require a large time commitment to be successful.

Just my thoughts, I'm not a freestyle player so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

hm..this threat is still sorta alive, i'm impressed! Looks like there are more flat rate and diplomacy strategy threads coming up, looking good! Hopefully I will have more higher ranks join my games eventually (so I gain more points!)

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

angola wrote:100 games?

Shit, I just got there in 3,578 games. My way is obviously better, because it involved very little diplomacy.

So in other words, when you say that you use "very little diplomacy," what you really mean is that you did not have to lie to anyone, offering a truce and then stabbing them in the Back as much?

Just joking with ya.

Way to go Colonel and congradulations.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

These settings only reward people who can be on the computer at all hours. Freestyle games are not for people that cannot be by a computer at all hours. Especially those who can only check in once or twice a day.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

Jippd wrote:These settings only reward people who can be on the computer at all hours. Freestyle games are not for people that cannot be by a computer at all hours. Especially those who can only check in once or twice a day.

freestyle games are indeed only good for those who
1) specialize in freestyle and
2) devote a lot of time to it to check every few hours, at least.

i like diplomacy style games but you also have to rely on very unpredictable human beings, each with their own goals, so it can be quite hard.

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Re: How to get a colonel in under 100 games

why Zimmah, you always know what their goal is....

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