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Dice Stats

Postby lackattack on Wed May 25, 2011 9:15 am

Dice Stats

After too many weeks of development and too many scheduled maintenance windows, we finally got this monster finished!

You can now access your own dice stats from the Personal Menu and other players' dice stats from their profile. Dice stats contains analysis of both dice distribution (how many 1's, 2's 3's, etc. were rolled) and battle outcomes (kills and losses from 3 vs 2, 1 vs 1, etc.). It tracks both assaults that you initiate and assaults against you by other players. You can compare recent stats with your overall stats, and look at how you fared against specific opponents.

Hopefully making the dice more transparent will busts the myths about dice not being random :D

For information about how Luck is calculated:

show: Explanation from the Help Page



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Re: Dice Stats

Postby trinicardinal on Wed May 25, 2011 11:25 am

Nice update! =D> . Now you just need to do something about my -17% luck (recent that is)!
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 25, 2011 11:27 am

trinicardinal wrote:Nice update! =D> . Now you just need to do something about my -17% luck!

You've had some bad luck in your recent rolls!

However, in your last 25 recent rolls, you are way more green!


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Re: Dice Stats

Postby Cyclone_23x on Wed May 25, 2011 11:30 am

This is a really neat idea! I love stats and this is awesome!

Can someone explain how the luck is calculated? I don't understand that. And what does it mean when it is red and when it is green?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby Agent 86 on Wed May 25, 2011 11:34 am

Thanks for the hard work, it is a very good addition. Now I know why I find it hard to win :) I'm just out of luck lol

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Re: Dice Stats

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 25, 2011 11:34 am

Cyclone_23x wrote:This is a really neat idea! I love stats and this is awesome!

Can someone explain how the luck is calculated? I don't understand that. And what does it mean when it is red and when it is green?

Thanks in advance!


Black means you are hovering within +1 and -1 of expected averages / outcomes. When you go outside of the +1/-1 range, you start to see where you've got Good Luck (green) and Poor Luck (Red).

Check out the Help page for info about Luck:

22. How is luck calculated on my dice stats?

For dice distribution, luck is the actual average roll over the expected average roll (i.e. 3.5). Luck can range from -100% for an average roll of 1.00 to +100% for an average roll of 6.00.

For battle outcomes, luck is based on the ratio of kills over losses. For each type of battle (e.g. 3 vs 2, 1 vs 1, etc.) we know the expected ratio of kills over losses for both assault and defend based on the table below.
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Assault 54.0% 66.0% 39.0% 57.9% 25.5% 41.7%
Defend 46.0% 34.0% 61.0% 42.1% 74.5% 58.3%

Luck is how many percentage points the actual ratio is above or below the expected ratio. To calculate total luck (i.e. assault + defend) we take a weighted average of ratios based on the amounts of assault battles and defend battles.

(There is a Typo with 'assult' which Lack will fix soon).



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Re: Dice Stats

Postby saywhat on Wed May 25, 2011 11:35 am

hmmm... I have a -28% luck in the overall section.
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby lord voldemort on Wed May 25, 2011 11:38 am

now make a baby sitting function mr lack
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby ender516 on Wed May 25, 2011 11:40 am

Cyclone_23x wrote:This is a really neat idea! I love stats and this is awesome!

Can someone explain how the luck is calculated? I don't understand that. And what does it mean when it is red and when it is green?

Thanks in advance!

Click on the Help button at the top of this page (next to Shop), then scroll down to About the dice. Click on the questions to see the answers you seek. (I think red and green are just being used to emphasize negative and positive results, respectively. If your numbers are red and those of your opponents are green, Lady Fortune has turned her back on you, as she has done to me. :( )
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby mattattam on Wed May 25, 2011 11:42 am

Nice addition! And for the whiners out there I say complainers will be complainers and they'll find something else to complain about because that's just who they are! Great job guys. You keep making this sight better and better =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby snlfam on Wed May 25, 2011 11:45 am

It looks like the "Overall" stats go all the way back to when I joined... is this true? Do you really still have records of every dice roll all of us have ever made? Is there a way to get the stats for a single game? And just for a challenge (and so I can keep complaining :P ) how about a single round of a game?

Despite my critiques, you just made my day, week, and month! :mrgreen: Great work!
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby GreecePwns on Wed May 25, 2011 11:49 am

But lack, my average roll for attacking is 3.51. Therefore the dice are not random.

And snlfam, it appears he does. Loving this update! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby basic_man2010_20 on Wed May 25, 2011 11:53 am

i have Total -5% in luck so i gotta be somethign somethign not rihgt lol
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby Leehar on Wed May 25, 2011 12:00 pm

Awesome update. I love the recent opponent odds as well, there really is soo much you can see with this!
I'm gonna play around with this a bit more :twisted:
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby lokisgal on Wed May 25, 2011 12:00 pm

Make it stop flashing NEW! its very annoying
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby Galatea on Wed May 25, 2011 12:04 pm

Galatea 4.7 all opponents
Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's
Assault -17% 3.07 3 2 3 4 1 1 -8% 3.30 2 3 1 1 0 3
Defend -44% 2.40 1 3 0 0 1 0 +23% 4.07 2 1 3 2 2 5
Total -24% 2.89 4 5 3 4 2 1 +10% 3.76 4 4 4 3 2 8

Quite fair.... -24% for me and +10% for opponents... this reminds me that dice formula is not random not even balanced... Ahhh let me guess.. bad strategy ?
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 25, 2011 12:05 pm

snlfam wrote:It looks like the "Overall" stats go all the way back to when I joined... is this true? Do you really still have records of every dice roll all of us have ever made? Is there a way to get the stats for a single game? And just for a challenge (and so I can keep complaining :P ) how about a single round of a game?

Despite my critiques, you just made my day, week, and month! :mrgreen: Great work!


The Dice Stats were starting to be recorded and stored a couple of months ago I think.

As for stats of a single game, if it is a recent game, you can access it by comparing your opponents and you. But once it moves out of your 'recentness' it gets added to the Overall data. There is just too much information to make it completely feasible store every dice roll on Conquer Club (think, at any given time, we have 20k active users, with 20k active games---imagine how many dice rolls that is!) but this tool allows you to get recent snapshots (which you can store, or someone may right a tool to store), and the overall Dice History.


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Re: Dice Stats

Postby greenoaks on Wed May 25, 2011 12:07 pm

lackattack wrote:
Finding Tournament Games

The huge tournament picklist in the Game Finder had to go. It make it very difficult to select a tournament and added hundreds of kilobytes to the page! Now you can type in part of the tournament name to find matching games. We also added a handy [find games] link to the on the Tournament Finder so you can get tournamnet games from that route as well.


you've made it worse. game finder is useless now.

if i type in a partial for the tournament i want it will give me the games from every tournament ever to have that partial in the name.

if i search for games via the tournament tab then i get every game for that tournament.

at least the old game finder allowed me to choose which tournament from the partial name i wanted before displaying the results. bring that back.
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 25, 2011 12:07 pm

Galatea wrote:Galatea 4.7 all opponents
Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's
Assault -17% 3.07 3 2 3 4 1 1 -8% 3.30 2 3 1 1 0 3
Defend -44% 2.40 1 3 0 0 1 0 +23% 4.07 2 1 3 2 2 5
Total -24% 2.89 4 5 3 4 2 1 +10% 3.76 4 4 4 3 2 8

Quite fair.... -24% for me and +10% for opponents... this reminds me that dice formula is not random not even balanced... Ahhh let me guess.. bad strategy ?


Look at your last 25 recent rolls though:

Recent dice rolls (25 battles)
Galatea 4.7 all opponents
Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's
Assault -6% 3.36 9 5 9 11 10 3 -16% 3.09 7 10 10 8 4 4
Defend 0% 3.51 13 13 7 11 12 13 +6% 3.65 18 33 24 22 19 36
Total -2% 3.45 22 18 16 22 22 16 +1% 3.53 25 43 34 30 23 40


While you have hit some bad luck, your opponents have hit much more bad luck assaulting you.


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Re: Dice Stats

Postby ISN2 on Wed May 25, 2011 12:08 pm

Very nice update and I like it, nice stats collector/shower and thanks ...

But 2 things I don't like:

1. Facebook like on top of each page takes a few seconds longer than rest of page to load. Pages get loaded impatiently but that little like box takes a few seconds and is annoying ...
It could be nice if it was only on homepage, not every page ...

2. Also blinking red NEW is on my nerve, it does not allow me to focus on my games, it could be so nice if it be only a red NEW text in place of blinking ...
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 25, 2011 12:09 pm

greenoaks wrote:
lackattack wrote:
Finding Tournament Games

The huge tournament picklist in the Game Finder had to go. It make it very difficult to select a tournament and added hundreds of kilobytes to the page! Now you can type in part of the tournament name to find matching games. We also added a handy [find games] link to the on the Tournament Finder so you can get tournamnet games from that route as well.


you've made it worse. game finder is useless now.

if i type in a partial for the tournament i want it will give me the games from every tournament ever to have that partial in the name.


You can do this, can't you, via the Tournament Finder? In the Tournaments Tab, in the Tournament Finder, you can use the partial to find all tournaments that match your entry, and then you can select the games you want, via the [Find Games] for the Tournament.


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Re: Dice Stats

Postby lackattack on Wed May 25, 2011 12:09 pm

greenoaks wrote:if i type in a partial for the tournament i want it will give me the games from every tournament ever to have that partial in the name.

if i search for games via the tournament tab then i get every game for that tournament.

at least the old game finder allowed me to choose which tournament from the partial name i wanted before displaying the results. bring that back.


What is the partial text you used and what is the tournament's full name?
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 25, 2011 12:10 pm

ISN2 wrote:Very nice update and I like it, nice stats collector/shower and thanks ...

But 2 things I don't like:

1. Facebook like on top of each page takes a few seconds longer than rest of page to load. Pages get loaded impatiently but that little like box takes a few seconds and is annoying ...
It could be nice if it was only on homepage, not every page ...

2. Also blinking red NEW is on my nerve, it does not allow me to focus on my games, it could be so nice if it be only a red NEW text in place of blinking ...


Both are only temporary, and will be gone soon enough. ;)


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Re: Dice Stats

Postby Pyrhhus on Wed May 25, 2011 12:11 pm

greenoaks wrote:
lackattack wrote:
Finding Tournament Games

The huge tournament picklist in the Game Finder had to go. It make it very difficult to select a tournament and added hundreds of kilobytes to the page! Now you can type in part of the tournament name to find matching games. We also added a handy [find games] link to the on the Tournament Finder so you can get tournamnet games from that route as well.


you've made it worse. game finder is useless now.

if i type in a partial for the tournament i want it will give me the games from every tournament ever to have that partial in the name.

if i search for games via the tournament tab then i get every game for that tournament.

at least the old game finder allowed me to choose which tournament from the partial name i wanted before displaying the results. bring that back.


I completely disagree. The new searching system is far more intuitive and easier on the eyes. I would encourage greenoaks to be more exact with his search parameters.
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Re: Dice Stats

Postby Galatea on Wed May 25, 2011 12:12 pm

what do i win having more luck on assaults if they kill all my army when i'm defending?
Recent dice rolls (25 battles)
Galatea 4.7 all opponents
Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's
Assault -6% 3.36 9 5 9 11 10 3 -16% 3.09 7 10 10 8 4 4
Defend 0% 3.51 13 13 7 11 12 13 +6% 3.65 18 33 24 22 19 36
Total -2% 3.45 22 18 16 22 22 16 +1% 3.53 25 43 34 30 23 40

look at % not only for assault but also defend...
whatever.. its not going to change... keep the good work its a good improvement.
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