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Any maps using no dice.

Postby Frogmanx82 on Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:17 pm

I used to play Risk all the time with a group that used no dice. Has this ever been discussed as either an option for all maps or are there any maps that don't use dice? You just take off armies one for one, pretty simple.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby sannemanrobinson on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:22 am

Solution could be to generate bonuses 100 times normal. This way the big numbers will normalise the outcome. For example 400 v 300 is more predictable than 4 v 3.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby jeraado on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:57 am

A quick check in suggestions will give you the full details, but yes it has been suggested and rejected
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby natty dread on Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:02 am

sannemanrobinson wrote:Solution could be to generate bonuses 100 times normal. This way the big numbers will normalise the outcome. For example 400 v 300 is more predictable than 4 v 3.


Yeah, but then you're stuck to using auto-assault and not being able to stop when you want, or clicking through enormous amounts of troops... which is kinda frustrating?

The unpredictable element makes the games interesting and I don't think it should be removed.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby MrBenn on Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:01 am

sannemanrobinson wrote:Solution could be to generate bonuses 100 times normal. This way the big numbers will normalise the outcome. For example 400 v 300 is more predictable than 4 v 3.

City Mogul was developed in order to try and combat the effect of luck - hence the masssive bonuses on that map ;-)
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby TaCktiX on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:37 pm

MrBenn wrote:
sannemanrobinson wrote:Solution could be to generate bonuses 100 times normal. This way the big numbers will normalise the outcome. For example 400 v 300 is more predictable than 4 v 3.

City Mogul was developed in order to try and combat the effect of luck - hence the masssive bonuses on that map ;-)


It doesn't really work, in my opinion.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby natty dread on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:52 pm

TaCktiX wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
sannemanrobinson wrote:Solution could be to generate bonuses 100 times normal. This way the big numbers will normalise the outcome. For example 400 v 300 is more predictable than 4 v 3.

City Mogul was developed in order to try and combat the effect of luck - hence the masssive bonuses on that map ;-)


It doesn't really work, in my opinion.


I agree
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Frogmanx82 on Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:49 pm

We played no dice games for years and obviously really enjoyed them. Strategy, position, cards dominated instead of luck. Oh well. I was sure it must have come up. I'm just a little bit new here.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby MrBenn on Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:37 pm

There is a suggestion somewhere for no dice games (check out that subforum), but it would require a site-wide change as an option, rather than something that is map-specific.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Frogmanx82 on Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:55 pm

For all the dice complaints around here, it seems a worthwhile option to add. I bet it would be pretty popular. I just got screwed on two games back to back, 10 armies couldn't take 3 and 18 armies against 5 left me with 4. Its just too big of a swing.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Riskismy on Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:06 am

I'd certainly play such a game.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby tennischamp5 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:28 pm

I personally like the way city mogul works... another map with large troop counts to nullify the dice effect would be fine with me :p
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby DiM on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:26 pm

natty_dread wrote:
TaCktiX wrote:
MrBenn wrote:
sannemanrobinson wrote:Solution could be to generate bonuses 100 times normal. This way the big numbers will normalise the outcome. For example 400 v 300 is more predictable than 4 v 3.

City Mogul was developed in order to try and combat the effect of luck - hence the masssive bonuses on that map ;-)


It doesn't really work, in my opinion.


I agree



really :(
well, as MrBenn said, that was my intention.
in theory it should have worked just fine. :geek:
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:40 pm

DiM! :o Nice to see you in the Foundry again!

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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby DiM on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:59 pm

hi sully. what happened to the big blue monster?
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Incandenza on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:02 pm

Heya, Dim, nice to see ya in the ole' foundry.
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby natty dread on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:13 pm

DiM wrote:hi sully. what happened to the big blue monster?


It's a different sully... No one knows where the old sully went.

As for city mogul, the idea was novel, but like said, it doesn't really work as intended... Yes, bigger troop amounts can even out the streaks in the dice somewhat, but they won't eliminate the luck factor entirely - randomness is just too unpredictable. There's also a downside: with huge stacks of troops, you're stuck using auto-assault unless you want to spend half the day clicking, which again takes some strategy away by removing the chance to stop your assault if the dice are not co-operating...
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby DiM on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:26 pm

natty_dread wrote:
DiM wrote:hi sully. what happened to the big blue monster?


It's a different sully... No one knows where the old sully went.


my bad. it's been a long time my memory is a bit rusty.
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natty_dread wrote:As for city mogul, the idea was novel, but like said, it doesn't really work as intended... Yes, bigger troop amounts can even out the streaks in the dice somewhat, but they won't eliminate the luck factor entirely - randomness is just too unpredictable. There's also a downside: with huge stacks of troops, you're stuck using auto-assault unless you want to spend half the day clicking, which again takes some strategy away by removing the chance to stop your assault if the dice are not co-operating...


the auto attack was indeed a problem but from what i remember either lackattack was going to give us an option to autoattack until a certain limit is reached or yeti_c was going to add this to BoB. i don't remember which of them was talking about this.
as for the randomness it will never be eliminated entirely. the best we can do is reduce it's effects and that's what i tried with Mogul. in fact i would have tried going with even bigger bonuses but having 6-7 digit armies = sore eyes.

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hi. look what i found laying around :)
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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:58 am

natty_dread wrote:
DiM wrote:hi sully. what happened to the big blue monster?


It's a different sully... No one knows where the old sully went.

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "old", eh? ;)

What brings you back to the Foundry, old chap?

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Re: Any maps using no dice.

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:00 am

*chuckles* I saw that, MrBenn! Don't worry, I won't tell :-$ :P

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