[Abandoned] - SlovakNationalUprising

[isaiah40]

I have some not finished maps here. I had (and still have) some problems with my thumb, but I had dream to bring my country (Slovakia) to CC as playable map. and because I like history this map is from Second World War when Slovak guerillas start fight against Nazi Germany and fascist regime in Slovakia. so here it is:

version 9. another arrows for German units attacks.

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version 8. a little changed arrows of one way assaults. which ones look better - version 7 or version 8?

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version 7. new railways and some text changes.

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[theBastard]

21 views and no opinion? is it bad, too complicated, need anything more?

[natty dread]

Seems a bit complex... but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It does seem sort of cramped though. How about making the image a bit larger? Id recommend at least the full 840.

[theBastard]

Seems a bit complex...

I was afraid of this...

but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

...and hope for this

It does seem sort of cramped though.

yes I know. you mean "playable map" or all picture?

How about making the image a bit larger? Id recommend at least the full 840.

it has 840 x 560.

thanks for input natty. maybe delete some towns from map or kick off "garrisons" could help...

[shakeycat]

It seems quite complicated.

Perhaps there's another shape you can use to represent a town with a garrison. The circle inside the square makes me wonder if it's just a town with a train station. Trnava confused me most in the German 1-way section, because the same symbol is not used on them map as on the assault route.

And if those are German 1-way attacks, show which direction they are attacking. I'm sure it's obvious to you that they are going left to right, west to east, but maybe some little arrows instead of the dotted red lines would help us quickly understand it.

Do you explain somewhere why each region has a red town and a black town?

To get the bonus for holding regions, do you need to hold both the red and black in each region to make it valid?

The flag in the centre helps tie us to the B. Bystrica mini-map - perhaps something similar could help us with the German 1-ways? Or you could draw in faded/dashed lines of attack on the map to show each one (something like Northwest passage, but less in-your-face).

[natty dread]

it has 840 x 560.

No, it's 800x533.

[theBastard]

It seems quite complicated.

Perhaps there's another shape you can use to represent a town with a garrison. The circle inside the square makes me wonder if it's just a town with a train station. Trnava confused me most in the German 1-way section, because the same symbol is not used on them map as on the assault route.

right. will add another symbol for garisson...

And if those are German 1-way attacks, show which direction they are attacking. I'm sure it's obvious to you that they are going left to right, west to east, but maybe some little arrows instead of the dotted red lines would help us quickly understand it.

you read map right. but it need show that routes are go from west to east...

Do you explain somewhere why each region has a red town and a black town?

To get the bonus for holding regions, do you need to hold both the red and black in each region to make it valid?

the red is region, the black is town.
so for bonus from regions you need only red ones.

The flag in the centre helps tie us to the B. Bystrica mini-map - perhaps something similar could help us with the German 1-ways? Or you could draw in faded/dashed lines of attack on the map to show each one (something like Northwest passage, but less in-your-face).

drawing the lines of attack direct to map?

hm, it seems that map needs be a little simplier...

thanks for your ideas.

EDIT: oops natty, here is size 840

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[Industrial Helix]

I'm actually really impressed with this map... it seems to convey the military events quite well and enables players to re-enact the event. Plus, it covers a region not on CC already and an area of WWII largely overlooked. So you've got my support.

But, it needs more clarity. Going bigger would help, I would consider supersize if I were you because the small map just isn't going to work.

The one way routes to the lower right should use arrows instead of dots.

The train connections... I'm wondering if you can do without them. Were they an essential piece of the Slovak uprising? If so, you might do better to put the lower middle diagram on the map if/when you go supersize.

As for the guerilla areas, I would block it off completely with the brown impassables and have the one way arrows go over it. Having a normal border there makes the one way attacks less clear.

Speaking of the impassables... you might be better off, in the future, using something like barbed wire.

I don't understand the difference between the red circles and black circles... for example, the two Bratislavas. Are the red ones the German military units? You need to distinguish between red and black.

[theBastard]

I'm actually really impressed with this map... it seems to convey the military events quite well and enables players to re-enact the event. Plus, it covers a region not on CC already and an area of WWII largely overlooked. So you've got my support.

thanks Helix for your nice words and support.

But, it needs more clarity. Going bigger would help, I would consider supersize if I were you because the small map just isn't going to work.

if I look at small version, you are right. hm, which size for small map? 840x640?

The one way routes to the lower right should use arrows instead of dots.

yes. this was only the first idea. I need also do something with "garrison" symbols...

The train connections... I'm wondering if you can do without them. Were they an essential piece of the Slovak uprising? If so, you might do better to put the lower middle diagram on the map if/when you go supersize.

the combat trains were very important, because guerilla had no tanks or another heavy armoured vehicles. these trains were armoured and well armed and very usefull. yes, we can say they were essential piece (and symbols) of uprising...

I think if we will go with supersize the railways could be drawn on the map.

As for the guerilla areas, I would block it off completely with the brown impassables and have the one way arrows go over it. Having a normal border there makes the one way attacks less clear.

Speaking of the impassables... you might be better off, in the future, using something like barbed wire.

the brown impassables are mountains. we have realy much mountains in Slovakia and there are bad acceses, therefore when official uprising was supressed by German forces, the guerilla can fight again in these mountains...

maybe I could add barb wire only where are one way assaults?

I don't understand the difference between the red circles and black circles... for example, the two Bratislavas. Are the red ones the German military units? You need to distinguish between red and black.

red circles are for regions, black are for towns. something as in Battle for Iraq. German military units (how they marched) is shown where you can have arrows

this is 630x420 version.

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[theBastard]

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a little another graphics

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[theBastard]

changed background texture. I like it more now (all map is done as old newspaper).

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two questions:
1, could I have map "without" upper right corner - I mean the background texture is missed there, so do all layers missing?
2, on blue guys - could I go with this version 840x640 as playable (small)?

[natty dread]

JPG:s don't support transparency and maps are hosted as JPG:s so you shouldn't have transparency on the map image. You can put a white layer on the bottom so any transparent areas will be white.

[theBastard]

thanks natty.

so it should looks as this:

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[Industrial Helix]

It's look better and better... are the train stations in the lower middle separate territories from the same named territories on the map?

Also, i don't understand what you mean by disaffect garrison. Does that mean they weren't affected by the uprising?

[theBastard]

It's look better and better...

thanks. the graphics (styl, quality) is close to my limits. if there will be some errors or not clear things it is on blue guys to find them

are the train stations in the lower middle separate territories from the same named territories on the map?

yes they are the same (as towns in German unit routes in low right). they are just to show "trains".

Also, i don't understand what you mean by disaffect garrison. Does that mean they weren't affected by the uprising?

I will remove disaffect - it is not needed for gameplay.

in Slovakia was fascist regime and these disaffect garissons from Slovak army (fascist) supported uprising. not all army supported it.