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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby Steve The Mighty on Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:40 am

It might be worth considering bring Home runs into play. See game 9093729 - I have one region home run 1 with 266 troops. I cannot influence the game as I cannot attack - I have two choices miss my turns and get kicked out or take my turns and watch the armies grow. Both options delay the game and serve no purpose.

My thoughts but this is the first time I have encountered a potential problem with this map apart from the initial days when the correct number of troops were not allocated to players - this seems to have been fixed or resolved itself
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby qwertylpc on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:50 am

HighlanderAttack wrote:If something is not figured out with this map it goes down as the worst map in cc history

there is nothing strategic about it==advance out and get lucky with the dice and pray your opponent can't take what you took

all I do is drop and go until my opponent does something--if they dont do anything I dont do anything but drop

It is ridiculous


same, except when i attack i tend to lose like 12 v1 so i just lose on that map anyway
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby natty dread on Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:41 am

It may be that this map just isn't meant for 1v1 or team play...
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby jpverkamp on Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:55 pm

I'm not sure if this is the place to bring this up or it's already been mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to deadlock a Baseball game.

If all of the Pitchers have been killed (bombarded by the mound), then no one can take Babe.
If no one can take Babe, then no one can take the Home Runs.
If two different people own the Home Runs, the game won't end.

Did I miss something?

Here's an example where exactly that has happened: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9217783
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:21 pm

Yes, hold all the bases to win.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby jpverkamp on Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:40 pm

Got it. It's easy to miss that, although that's a problem with almost all win conditions.

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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby Thomassaurus on Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:14 pm

Do the 4 neutrals on each base have a purpose? if they were removed that might help motivate players to attack first,
or if some of the bases were easier to take, EG: 1st = 1 neutral, 2nd = 2 neutrals, 3rd = 3 neutrals, home = 4.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby sannemanrobinson on Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:38 am

Thomassaurus wrote:Do the 4 neutrals on each base have a purpose? if they were removed that might help motivate players to attack first,
or if some of the bases were easier to take, EG: 1st = 1 neutral, 2nd = 2 neutrals, 3rd = 3 neutrals, home = 4.

This makes sense, also in relation to Baseball that the last bases and home are more difficult to reach. The bonus values could also be in relation with the neutrals though.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby jimfinn on Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:09 am

Maybe players could start with a pitcher and a few (maybe four each or so) territories on the field? That would make the game more interesting, I think and break some stalemates.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby Evil DIMwit on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:58 am

jimfinn wrote:Maybe players could start with a pitcher and a few (maybe four each or so) territories on the field? That would make the game more interesting, I think and break some stalemates.


You know what, that's not an awful idea. Not enough to gain any bonus straight away but enough to have a bit of direction in place from the outset.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby mr. CD on Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:35 am

Evil DIMwit wrote:
jimfinn wrote:Maybe players could start with a pitcher and a few (maybe four each or so) territories on the field? That would make the game more interesting, I think and break some stalemates.


You know what, that's not an awful idea. Not enough to gain any bonus straight away but enough to have a bit of direction in place from the outset.


Don't think it'd work, it'd make it luck only. First player to gain a bonus wins.
And before someone says it is that way allready, it isn't. In my opinion it's a good map, even for 2 players. Just don't play it sunny (and even if you do, it can get very interesting).
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby lostatlimbo on Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:48 pm

jimfinn wrote:Maybe players could start with a pitcher and a few (maybe four each or so) territories on the field? That would make the game more interesting, I think and break some stalemates.


It would also be interesting to see you incorporate in walks and stolen bases somehow. That might help avoid the bottle-necking issues.

I dig this map despite its flaws and hope it works out!
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby Coleman on Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:06 pm

jpverkamp wrote:Got it. It's easy to miss that, although that's a problem with almost all win conditions.

Thanks.


You just made me think of an awesome UI suggestion. You are the man. =D>
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby Kase on Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:22 pm

Possible bug. But I don't know where to post to.
In Baseball:King of Diamonds Game #9519202
We are playing escalating and chained. So when I finished my attack from Willie to Jackie, I tried to reinforce going back to LD4. But the game would not let me start my reinforcement from Jackie, which has 7 troops on it. Please let me know where I was supposed to post this possible bug.

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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:27 pm

Kase wrote:Possible bug. But I don't know where to post to.
In Baseball:King of Diamonds Game Game 9519202
We are playing escalating and chained. So when I finished my attack from Willie to Jackie, I tried to reinforce going back to LD4. But the game would not let me start my reinforcement from Jackie, which has 7 troops on it. Please let me know where I was supposed to post this possible bug.

Thanks Kase


Fixed. Willie to Jackie is a one way attack, that is the reason.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby callmecommander on Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:29 am

maybe you already know this or maybe I'm just too dumb to understand this map, but is their a way to get to the home run balls after losing your pitcher when it gets bombarded? Right now, I don't think there is. I'm currently in a game where a guy only holds 1 home run ball and basically can't move. It has nuke spoils so It'll work out but what happens with escalating or flat rate? Without a way to retake pitchers or to retake the batter after losing your pitcher, I think it would be possible to create a literally endless game.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby ender516 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:39 am

There is a winning condition of holding all four bases. Once you take them all, and after your opponent takes his last frustrating turn where all he can do is deploy, you will win when you start your turn.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby drunkmonkey on Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:46 am

callmecommander wrote:maybe you already know this or maybe I'm just too dumb to understand this map, but is their a way to get to the home run balls after losing your pitcher when it gets bombarded? Right now, I don't think there is. I'm currently in a game where a guy only holds 1 home run ball and basically can't move. It has nuke spoils so It'll work out but what happens with escalating or flat rate? Without a way to retake pitchers or to retake the batter after losing your pitcher, I think it would be possible to create a literally endless game.


This has been mentioned countless times now. Either "Control all bases to win" isn't grabbing people's attention, or they don't understand that it's actually a winning condition. Maybe consider rewording it? Would something like "Hold All 4 Bases for 1 Turn to Win the Game" be more effective?
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby callmecommander on Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:43 pm

ok. Sorry. I didn't see that. All makes since to me now. Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby natty dread on Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:57 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
callmecommander wrote:maybe you already know this or maybe I'm just too dumb to understand this map, but is their a way to get to the home run balls after losing your pitcher when it gets bombarded? Right now, I don't think there is. I'm currently in a game where a guy only holds 1 home run ball and basically can't move. It has nuke spoils so It'll work out but what happens with escalating or flat rate? Without a way to retake pitchers or to retake the batter after losing your pitcher, I think it would be possible to create a literally endless game.


This has been mentioned countless times now. Either "Control all bases to win" isn't grabbing people's attention, or they don't understand that it's actually a winning condition. Maybe consider rewording it? Would something like "Hold All 4 Bases for 1 Turn to Win the Game" be more effective?


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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby melech14 on Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:59 am

great game; i've been playing since day one with 62 completed games..
a lot of my games are 2-player and I actually prefer that in 2-player games each player starts with 4 pitchers like it used to be (or 2 or 3 maybe). Natty you must be tired of all this feedback but ...

What about lowering the homerun neutral to 5 or 6? Or why can't the outfield defenders assault the homerun (like catching the ball)?

anyway...great game..... i think everone knows you are at a disadvantage attacking first (especially in no spoils game)...

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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby dumhic on Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:51 pm

Steve The Mighty wrote:It might be worth considering bring Home runs into play. See game 9093729 - I have one region home run 1 with 266 troops. I cannot influence the game as I cannot attack - I have two choices miss my turns and get kicked out or take my turns and watch the armies grow. Both options delay the game and serve no purpose.

My thoughts but this is the first time I have encountered a potential problem with this map apart from the initial days when the correct number of troops were not allocated to players - this seems to have been fixed or resolved itself


What if Home Runs Could Attack either all the pitchers? or Babe?
Just to allow them to contribute to the game or make them beneficial?

I'm bringing this up, b/c I'm in a game and my only position is the HR ball...... while everyone else jockies for more territory, i'm left 'hanging' till the game ends... able to do nothing
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby Evil DIMwit on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:10 pm

We could put a requirements region on everywhere that isn't the home runs. Then if a player was reduced to just the home runs they'd be eliminated.
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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby ender516 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:41 pm

That might not be a bad idea. In a 1v1 game, the other player can simply take the bases for the win, but if there are more than two players, then the one stuck on the home run might be there a long time with nothing to do.

EDIT: In fact, this might be a good feature to add to the site. The game engine could generate an implicit requirement for one territory that can bombard or attack. Without that, you are eliminated immediately.

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Re: Baseball: King of Diamonds (v15 p.27)

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:26 pm

But what about team games. You can still be useful to your team even if you can only deploy.
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