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Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby *Snowman* on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:13 pm

Prevent Newbie Farming:

[*]With New accounts (Question Marks) Give them points if they win a game but do not award points to the ranked player if they win. Or alternatively not award any points to either party untill they are ranked.


This will prevent farming of new recruits and allow players the settings they prefer without the worry of breaking cc rules.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby ad10r3tr0 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:47 pm

No way! wants to play the game if you don't get any benefits(points) out of it? What about this... under start new game, you have a ranked or unranked option. Ranked you play for points, unranked you do. When NR first start the website, they can only play unranked, however, they dont have a map restriction and can play any setting...
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby ad10r3tr0 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:47 pm

And games would be under unranked all the time, as people are trying to learn maps, etc?
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:56 pm

ad10r3tr0 wrote:No way! wants to play the game if you don't get any benefits(points) out of it? What about this... under start new game, you have a ranked or unranked option. Ranked you play for points, unranked you do. When NR first start the website, they can only play unranked, however, they dont have a map restriction and can play any setting...


How is what you suggested any different? Btw, Unranked games (No point games), has already been rejected countless times. Where's the risk in learning a map if you don't have to risk points to do it.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby ad10r3tr0 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:58 pm

My god, it was a quick re-suggestion... calm down
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby ad10r3tr0 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:59 pm

I would say most of us learned the game of Risk first on the classic map...what's wrong making the NR only play classic? for 5 or 10 games? i mean i would say almost everyone likes it, and that is what they learned on..
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby demonfork on Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:55 pm

How's about everyone calm down and have a nice tall glass of refreshing water.....

The "no systematic farming of new recruits" rule was created because of the actions of one and only one player...Maxatstuy.....he played new recruits only, his entire game strategy was based on joining in games against new recruits in hopes that they would deadbeat.

The rule was put in place to prevent players from doing what max did...

Playing against new recruits or having new recruits join your games from time to time is not against the rules.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:01 pm

demonfork wrote:Playing against new recruits or having new recruits join your games from time to time is not against the rules.


From time to time, yes. But if the only games you play attract New Recruits and you constantly set these games up over and over, than you will get warned/point reset.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby *Snowman* on Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:08 am

All the above comments are constructive. Thank you. My point though is does it really matter for the ? if they dont receive points until they have had ten games first? This lets them learn how to play and use the site. It would also stop bad ratings from experienced players who may be intolerant to learners. I enjoy certain settings on speed games. I make mistakes if I open too many at once (I am getting old lol) so recently I opened a few on the 24 games setting. Because it is the Classic 5 player sunny I have been bombarded with ? This is boreing, gives a false rank and gives me the fear of a warning from cc. Before this happens I have stopped opening any new games with those settings. I joined cc because I enjoy playing Risk. I feel I now can not play that particular map. To address the problem I feel ? should be able to play any map this would stop the concentration on to the Classic map. If they received zero points until their probation was finished (say ten games) they would then enter the games as an equal.
1. This would prevent Farming because there would be no point.
2. New recruits would not receive bad ratings for making mistakes early on in their first games.
3. All members could play the Maps, settings of their choice without the fear of being called a cheat.

cc at present decides to limit certain maps because of them being too complex for new recruits but will not allow the member to prevent ? from joining a game with a preference tool. Whats the difference, I should have the same right as another member to play my choice of maps.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby *Snowman* on Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:18 am

ad10r3tr0 - This members suggestion could also be a solution so thank you ad1.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby nebsmith on Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:57 pm

I would say no to all the suggestions here, I like the set up for NR's as it is.
I remember being a NR and a big part of the attraction was all the maps available to play on, if I had been confined to the classic map I may not have joined. Like many others, I assume, I had played Risk before joining this site both RL and PC and I find the classic map utterly boring, partly because is has fewer territories that the boardgame I learned on. I have played only one game on it.
As to neither gaining nor losing points for a certain number of games, I am not being funny, but what is the point of playing for nothing. If there is no penalty for losing and no reward for winning, then how much effort will new players put into these " no point " games. It might even lead to more dead beating, if after a minor setback there is no penalty for dropping out of the game.

Of my first 4 games on this site I lost the first 3 and won the fourth. I remember the pleasure of going from ? to private and coincidently opening up all the maps. I had been looking forward to Hive since joining and reading about it in the forums.
I think 4 games is enough to be stuck with the ? and wouldn't want to further limit the maps available to NR's. I believe that the more people we retain on this site the better for all of us and don't think further limitations on NR's will help with this.
If we have to put up with lots of NR's joining the game types we like I think it is worth it to retain the attractiveness of this site to new players.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby OliverFA on Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:33 am

It actually makes a lot of sense that the first few games on a map should be unrated. How many players win the first time they play a new map?
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby Woodruff on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:47 am

TheForgivenOne wrote:
demonfork wrote:Playing against new recruits or having new recruits join your games from time to time is not against the rules.


From time to time, yes. But if the only games you play attract New Recruits and you constantly set these games up over and over, than you will get warned/point reset.


Which is a really stupid rule, of course.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:51 pm

Woodruff wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
demonfork wrote:Playing against new recruits or having new recruits join your games from time to time is not against the rules.


From time to time, yes. But if the only games you play attract New Recruits and you constantly set these games up over and over, than you will get warned/point reset.


Which is a really stupid rule, of course.


Really? How so?
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby Woodruff on Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:04 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
demonfork wrote:Playing against new recruits or having new recruits join your games from time to time is not against the rules.


From time to time, yes. But if the only games you play attract New Recruits and you constantly set these games up over and over, than you will get warned/point reset.


Which is a really stupid rule, of course.


Really? How so?


The idea that you can be punished FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S ACTIONS is ludicrious. If someone is INVITING newbies to their games, sure then there's a case. But being punished because someone else joins your games of their own free choosing without impetus from you is an idiotic concept that goes against justice in almost every aspect. It's really quite sick, in my opinion.
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